GTX 1070 performance

TheRealDeal · 25 May 2016 at 13:35

beany_bot said:
Nope. You are still wrong.
We can be almost certain that because of

950
960
970
980
980ti
9 series Titan

that Nvidia will release

1050
1060
1070
1080
1080Ti
10 Series Titan.

Agreed?

The 1070 may well be the second fastest card when it's released. But it's simply not "high end". Nvidia release their cards as families, and as such they can be compared to each other.

Why does this matter?

Because people are justifying the price of the 1070 / 1080 by saying they are high end cards. They are not. current fastest cards yes. high end cards no.

Why does this matter to me?

Because I don't want suckered into paying £600 + for a mid range card! I don't want the industry to "get away with it". For people to think that its ok to charge that. Because if they get away with it once, consider it the new norm! So it's much more than petty bickering its very important for us all whether we choose to accept this new pricing or not. the 980 was £450. It's direct replacement the 1080 (because that's exactly what it is) Is over £600!

Nvidia are testing us all here.

Simply saying, "yeah that's a fair price for a high end card" is not helping any of us.

+1

Us that are sane look at it exactly this way. Personally it's there money to spend but at least they should admit to what they are buying. A souped up mid range card to be precise. Any how these forums would be boring without the odd guy jumping in to show us what's what. I do hope sales are poor though so Nvidia stop with the foolish pricing.

If this was the proper high end part it would still be seen as slightly high but it wouldn't be so bad. This last bit was aed at the 1080. Forgot was in the 1070 thread.

Lokken86 · 25 May 2016 at 13:41

beany_bot said:
The 1070 may well be the second fastest card when it's released. But it's simply not "high end".

The 470, 570, 670, 770 and the 970 were all high end. The 1070 is Nvidias high end also.
You think cards costing over £300 are supposed to be mid range? Laughable.

I bought a 6600GT for £150 new back in the day. That was true mid range.

TheRealDeal · 25 May 2016 at 13:46

Lokken86 said:
The 470, 570, 670, 770 and the 970 were all high end. The 1070 is Nvidias high end also.
You think cards costing over £300 are supposed to be mid range? Laughable.

I bought a 6600GT for £150 new back in the day. That was true mid range.

Ohh Nvidia love guys like you. It's priced high so must be high end. The 770 was also not high end as ahead of it there was 780/780ti/Titan. The 470 and 570 only had the 80 ahead of them in single gpu cards and we're built from the top end part. The 680 is essentially the 770 and you can see where it fits in to the 7 series line when the full family was released.

Lokken86 · 25 May 2016 at 13:49

TheRealDeal said:
Ohh Nvidia love guys like you. It's priced high so must be high end. The 770 was also not high end as ahead of it there was 780/780ti/Titan. The 470 and 570 only had the 80 ahead of them in single gpu cards and we're built from the top end part. The 680 is essentially the 770 and you can see where it fits in to the 7 series line when the full family was released.

No they love guys like you. It's got a 7 not an 8 in the name so it must be mid range. I guess im forking out £400.

beany_bot · 25 May 2016 at 13:51

LMAO

Right. High end. Low end. Who gives a damn. Just words.

Here is the brass tacks.

Happy with that? End of.

TheRealDeal · 25 May 2016 at 13:52

Lokken86 said:
No they love guys like you. It's got a 7 not an 8 in the name so it must be mid range. I guess im forking out £400.

Your post read as you thought the opposite of me but I guess reading it again we are in agreement that these cards are priced to high as they are mid end?

easyrider · 25 May 2016 at 13:53

beany_bot said:
Nope. You are still wrong.
We can be almost certain that because of

950
960
970
980
980ti
9 series Titan

that Nvidia will release

1050
1060
1070
1080
1080Ti
10 Series Titan.

Agreed?

The 1070 may well be the second fastest card when it's released. But it's simply not "high end". Nvidia release their cards as families, and as such they can be compared to each other.

Why does this matter?

Because people are justifying the price of the 1070 / 1080 by saying they are high end cards. They are not. current fastest cards yes. high end cards no.

Why does this matter to me?

Because I don't want suckered into paying £600 + for a mid range card! I don't want the industry to "get away with it". For people to think that its ok to charge that. Because if they get away with it once, consider it the new norm! So it's much more than petty bickering its very important for us all whether we choose to accept this new pricing or not. the 980 was £450. It's direct replacement the 1080 (because that's exactly what it is) Is over £600!

Nvidia are testing us all here.

Simply saying, "yeah that's a fair price for a high end card" is not helping any of us.

Prices were estimated to be extremely appealing to all types of gamers, with Nvidia confirming the US prices for the GTX 1080 in the US starting $599 (~£492 incl. VAT) for the regular GTX 1080 and $699 (~£576 incl. VAT) for the Founders Edition. The GTX 1070 has an MSRP of $379 (~£312 incl. VAT) for the regular version and $449 (~£372 incl. VAT) for the Founders Edition.

However, it has recently been announced that the GTX 1080 Founders Edition will cost a whopping £619, a £43 difference between the US and UK price. Prices go as high as £649 for the Asus GTX 1080, making the gap even wider at £73 difference including VAT. We cannot understand why there's a price difference between the Atlantic, but given most electronic devices cost more in the UK and EU, we're not completely surprised by these price variances.

If you live in the US you buy a 1080 for non FE for $599

The pound is week gainst the dollor right now. There is nothing we can do about it.

beany_bot · 25 May 2016 at 13:56

easyrider said:
Prices were estimated to be extremely appealing to all types of gamers, with Nvidia confirming the US prices for the GTX 1080 in the US starting $599 (~£492 incl. VAT) for the regular GTX 1080 and $699 (~£576 incl. VAT) for the Founders Edition. The GTX 1070 has an MSRP of $379 (~£312 incl. VAT) for the regular version and $449 (~£372 incl. VAT) for the Founders Edition.

However, it has recently been announced that the GTX 1080 Founders Edition will cost a whopping £619, a £43 difference between the US and UK price. Prices go as high as £649 for the Asus GTX 1080, making the gap even wider at £73 difference including VAT. We cannot understand why there's a price difference between the Atlantic, but given most electronic devices cost more in the UK and EU, we're not completely surprised by these price variances.

If you live in the US you buy a 1080 for non FE for $599

The pound is week gainst the dollor right now. There is nothing we can do about it.

I've made a graph, to show this is a global product price hike. not an exchange rather issue. If the graph had been in £s then yes it would be even worse. But this is not an exchange issue. Its a price hike. end of.

Lokken86 · 25 May 2016 at 13:59

TheRealDeal said:
Your post read as you thought the opposite of me but I guess reading it again we are in agreement that these cards are priced to high as they are mid end?

Kind of. I go by price to determine what is mid range and high end. So these are priced too high to call what I would consider mid range.

easyrider · 25 May 2016 at 14:02

beany_bot said:
I've made a graph, to show this is a global product price hike. not an exchange rather issue. If the graph had been in £s then yes it would be even worse. But this is not an exchange issue. Its a price hike. end of.

Yep for the FE its a price Hike But then the 980 was the same price $549 then there was a price cut.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-cuts-prices-900-serie/

GTX 980

The GTX 980 first debuted back in September of last year for $549. It was the fastest 900 series single GPU offering from Nvidia at the time and it continued to hold that crown until Nvidia introduced the more expensive cards based on the larger GM200 GPU earlier this year. At which point Nvidia found it necessary to drop the price down to $499. The GTX 980 while not as fast as the 980 Ti is still a great performer and with a price tag that’s $140 below what it initially launched at it makes it a compelling proposition.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-cuts-prices-900-serie/#ixzz49fjjrBZA

maonayze · 25 May 2016 at 14:05

beany_bot said:
I've made a graph, to show this is a global product price hike. not an exchange rather issue. If the graph had been in £s then yes it would be even worse. But this is not an exchange issue. Its a price hike. end of.

Totally agree and as long as all the others keep buying them, the prices will keep on rising. What are the bets on the 1080Ti and the Titan being higher again and the 1080/1070 prices staying the same as where they are now.

My last ever Nvidia card was the 8800GTX which I got for £320 or thereabouts. £300 - £400 was the cost of the high end back then and when new cards came out they replaced the old high end at the same price points and the older cards dropped down one peg. That doesnt happen anymore...they seem to just keep on rising.

It doesnt matter if you are Team Red or Green, this matters to ALL of us.

easyrider · 25 May 2016 at 14:07

maonayze said:
Totally agree and as long as all the others keep buying them, the prices will keep on rising. What are the bets on the 1080Ti and the Titan being higher again and the 1080/1070 prices staying the same as where they are now.

My last ever Nvidia card was the 8800GTX which I got for £320 or thereabouts. £300 - £400 was the cost of the high end back then and when new cards came out they replaced the old high end at the same price points and the older cards dropped down one peg. That doesnt happen anymore...they seem to just keep on rising.

the GTX 980 was $549 on release...

The GTX 1080 non FE is $599 on release.

Difference $50

stooeh · 25 May 2016 at 14:07

beany_bot said:
I've made a graph, to show this is a global product price hike. not an exchange rather issue. If the graph had been in £s then yes it would be even worse. But this is not an exchange issue. Its a price hike. end of.

The 780 was 650 dollars at release...

maonayze · 25 May 2016 at 14:12

easyrider said:
the GTX 980 was $549 on release...

The GTX 1080 non FE is $599 on release.

Difference $50

....and the 1180 will add another $50 and the 1280 will add another $50....etc...etc..etc... and that is without the $100 for the "Founders Edition". Sorry my mistake the "Shareholders Edition".

beany_bot · 25 May 2016 at 14:14

stooeh said:
The 780 was 650 dollars at release...

Was it?, genuine mistake if it was. What I found from googling was that they planned to release it for $650 but at the last minute brought it down to $499 as AMD were releasing the 290x.

Hence why we are being abused this time. Because AMD are not releasing.

stooeh · 25 May 2016 at 14:15

Was a good 4 months of abuse before the 290X caused the price drop

easyrider · 25 May 2016 at 14:15

maonayze said:
....and the 1180 will add another $50 and the 1280 will add another $50....etc...etc..etc... and that is without the $100 for the "Founders Edition". Sorry my mistake the "Shareholders Edition".

What I am saying is that take the FE card out and the pricing is the same as the 980 on release give or take $50

So I wonder why everyone is getting so hung up

Either they were not born when the 980 was out or they have very short memories

sam77 · 25 May 2016 at 14:15

People are still going to buy Pascal.

It probably won't even come with free lube.

easyrider · 25 May 2016 at 14:17

stooeh said:
Was a good 4 months of abuse before the 290X caused the price drop

TBH $599 is low considering that NV have no competition whatsoever!

gjc10212 · 25 May 2016 at 14:19

Where are OCUK purchasing their stock from, the U.S? Is that where the latest crop of Nvidia cards are manufactured?