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GTX 1070 performance

beany_bot said:
Can you not tell that from his posts? He seems to be happier the higher the prices are. Must have few shares in old Nvidia.
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No what makes me happy is quashing propoganda post about GFX card prcing from Forum members like you

But you did admit to ignoring the $650 price of the 780 so I'll forgive you :p

No one wants high prices but

the GTX 980 was $549 on release...

The GTX 1080 non FE is $599 on release.

Difference $50

I can't make it any clearer...:p
 
Seanspeed said:
Analogy doesn't really work for several obvious reasons.

But either way, there is no right or wrong. It's valid to say a 1080 is high end and it's valid to say it's midrange. Just depends on the context. It gets very tedious to hear people argue over this incessantly.
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It's valid to call it whatever you want, but what you can't argue with is once the higher end core is out, you will have midrange performance. More importantly once the high end core is out this will be priced likely below £400 and most importantly of all, Nvidia designed this core with a die size, memory amount, pcb, cooler quality that allows them to make the intended profit at the final price.

SO 3-6 months from now this card will be at £400 call it, that is the intended bracket it is supposed to be in, they can make a healthy profit there and everything till then is just ripping you off. Also important is if customers so no to the pricing Nvidia will drop the prices sooner and if customers refuse to buy at the higher price point Nvidia should learn their lesson and bring the next ultimately midrange card out at it's intended price point from the start.

If customers reacted to 680 pricing and told them to stuff it, and reacted to 980 pricing and told them to stuff it, chances are this card would have launched at $499 or so.

So not only are you paying $200 more for this card, you are almost ensuring Nvidia do it again with the next card. In fact you could almost certainly say that the lack of reaction to 680 then 980 pricing is why nvidia thought founders edition pricing was both a good idea and that they'd get away with it. Once people buy up at founders pricing, the next gen card will come with founders mega elite pricing with another $50 tacked on. They'll do this till customers stop falling for it.
 
easyrider said:
When I went to america I could walk into a shop and Buy a D18 for $2459 and walk out that shop

Cost £1673
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I changed my post to say sold for less. Of course if you don't have to pay VAT then what you pay will be less.
The point is that in the case of that guitar there appears to be no mark up on price in the UK, slightly the opposite in fact.
 
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beany_bot said:
I've made a graph, to show this is a global product price hike. not an exchange rather issue. If the graph had been in £s then yes it would be even worse. But this is not an exchange issue. Its a price hike. end of.

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Here's one without the FE edition, and the actual launch prices:

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Anyway, on-topic the 1070 looks better than I expected, if the price is right (and AMD doesn't surprise us at Computex) I'll be getting one.
 
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PaulM said:
Here's one without the FE edition, and the actual released prices:

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Anyway, actually on-topic the 1070 looks good, if the price is right I'll definitely be getting one.
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Nice post

Quashed at last

I'm tempted to get 2 x 1070 rather than one 1080 now if im honest
 
Was considering a 1070 before my monitor died on the weekend :(

Im assuming it can cope easily with 1440p @60Hz. Is lower rez 1080p at a higher refresh rate much more demanding? I imagine it requires turning more settings down to achieve high framerates, even with such a fast gpu.
 
beany_bot said:
Your point??

Just because BMW release a new 1 Series, it doesn't make it a 7 series! It's still a 1 series, and always will be. It might be their newest car. Doesn't make it "high end". The 7 series will be along eventually, as their new high end car. For the meantime. Their new 1 series is still their new low end car. Nor is a diesel 5 series better than an M5 just because it's released first.

"I've just bought a new high end BMW. It's a 2lt diesel 5 series"
"not really a high end BMW is it mate? More mid range"
"it must be high end, it's their newest car!"
"no mate, the new M5 is coming in summer, that's a high end BMW, it's the best one in its class"
"But but mines the newest release, therefore it must be high end. The M5 isn't here yet"

Do you see how silly you are being now?
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Ok Ill bite. Your analogy is wrong as follows.

new 1 series comes out which is faster, bigger, better equipped than the old 7 series. Does that still make the 7 series the high end car or is the new 1 series the new high end?

on you second example.

"I just bought the new 5 series diesel, the new high end car"
"But there is a M5 coming out in the summer, that will be the high end"
"Yes I know, but my m5 diesel is better specced, faster, better performance than the old M5 so this is currently the top fo the range"
 
Greebo said:
"I just bought the new 5 series diesel, the new high end car"
"But there is a M5 coming out in the summer, that will be the high end"
"Yes I know, but my m5 diesel is better specced, faster, better performance than the old M5 so this is currently the top fo the range"
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Nope. you really are still wrong,

Your new diesel may well be faster than the old M5. But its not top of the range. It's place in the range is already determined by the models past history. There will be a new M5 along soon that WILL be faster than your diesel.

Your diesel may be faster than the old M5. But it's still mid-range. The new M5 is just around the corner.
 
beany_bot said:
Nope. you really are still wrong,

Your new diesel may well be faster than the old M5. But its not top of the range. It's place in the range is already determined by the models past history. There will be a new M5 along soon that WILL be faster than your diesel.

Your diesel may be faster than the old M5. But it's still mid-range. The new M5 is just around the corner.
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Maybe it is. But at the time of release if the 5 series diesel is faster, better speeced, better handling etc than the old M5 then apart from the old M5 having the top of the range name, why shouldnt the 5 diesel be the current top of the range?

Yes we may all know that in 6 months there will be an M5 which is better/faster but thats not now.
 
easyrider said:
No what makes me happy is quashing propoganda post about GFX card prcing from Forum members like you

But you did admit to ignoring the $650 price of the 780 so I'll forgive you :p

No one wants high prices but

the GTX 980 was $549 on release...

The GTX 1080 non FE is $599 on release.

Difference $50

I can't make it any clearer...:p
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Sorry easyrider, I hate to break this to you, but it would seem that like many others, you have now fallen victim to the Nvidia's model number shuffling (as you are ACTUALLY comparing a 980 to a 780), and psychological mind-trick toward perception of pricing.

If the Non-FE 1080 are not launched at the same time as the 1080 FE, then then the $599 price "launch price" that Nvidia quote for non-FE 1080 nothing but marketing BS, but a fancier way of packaging the usual price-drop after 3 weeks-1 months with the difference of this time they are shooting the price up first, before they letting it drop. Also you can bet of when 3rd party 1080 are available, they will definitely not be $599, but would be in the $650+ region, as those are better cards than the 1080, and AIB partner most likely won't sell themselves short too much comparing to the inferior 1080 FE.

Seriously, people need to stop letting Nvidia's quote of $599 for 3rd party 1080 get to their head! It's not like they will enforce those price on the 3rd party cards released by the AIB partners. When the AIB partners are not releasing their 1080 according to Nvidia's claims to be at $599, the manufacturers are the one that get the heat and dismay from the customers, not Nvidia.
 
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Greebo said:
Maybe it is. But at the time of release if the 5 series diesel is faster, better speeced, better handling etc than the old M5 then apart from the old M5 having the top of the range name, why shouldnt the 5 diesel be the current top of the range?

Yes we may all know that in 6 months there will be an M5 which is better/faster but thats not now.
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Your wasting your breath. But you are correct.
 
As much fun it can be at times, this argument is just a fools game.

In the end it's all relative!


Let's have some fun with some examples shall we:

* Got lots of disposable income, no problems spending it.
* Gets brainwashed with hype/marketing and willing sell a kidney to be cool.
* Ranging nvidia fanboy/shill.
* Owns nvidia shares.

These above will see it one way. The ones below will see it another.

* Got lots of disposable income, but has principles (won't overpay).
* Jedi mind trick (marketing/hype) does not work on this person.
* To poor can't afford it, lashes out in jealousy.
* Ranging amd fanboy/shill.
* Owns amd shares.



There are probably a lot more, but you get the idea. Everyone feels like they are correct, from their point of view/pushing their agenda which suits them best.

It is not too hard to see who here fits where on that chart :p

Now let's get back on topic ;)
 
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