Who's to blame for Harambe the Gorilla death?
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I don't think it's quite that simple, in fact I would think it more likely parents themselves would be more critical of this scenario.
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Mass migration issues are difficult to solve. There is no clear course of action to ensure no human tragedy is a consequence.
There are clear ways the necessity to kill the gorilla could have been prevented.
And unfortunately many people meet a tragic death every day. Not many gorillas are conspicuously killed.
That worse things happen doesn't make one particular bad thing any better.
There are clear ways the necessity to kill the gorilla could have been prevented.
And unfortunately many people meet a tragic death every day. Not many gorillas are conspicuously killed.
That worse things happen doesn't make one particular bad thing any better.
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I don't think the kid was 'stupid', some 4 years olds are pretty fearless. My eldest wasn't but my youngest will climb up or try and get through anything. He certainly isn't 'stupid' though, and we keep an eye on him wherever we go. He's not an exception, some kids are more brave than others.
Having said that the parents should have been paying much more attention but and the zoo should be a safe facility especially considering it's a place where kids are likely to visit.
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Why does there have to be blame? How is that going to help? It's not going to bring the Gorilla back is it?
The important thing is that the child is alive - all other considerations are irrelevant.
The important thing is that the child is alive - all other considerations are irrelevant.
It will help by improving safety for children in the future, be it warning parents to be more vigilant or making areas safe for kids. The child is alive in this case but it is always good to learn lessons.
The death of an innocent and endangered animal is not irrelevant.
The fact that from the looks of it poor parenting could have led to the death of a child is not irrelevant.
oh come off it 'brave'? There is a low wall with a wire fence on top of it and a 15ft drop behind the kid has climbed on and then leaned over/fallen from there
maybe they'll release CCTV footage in due course but it just sounds like one of those kids who messes about in public while the parents ignore it, I think the parents are mostly to blame here
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That clip was edited, in the unedited video the child it trailed about like a ragdoll. Watch the unedited video and you will understand why they shoot it dead.
It's cool babe, some of us don't give a toss about either.
I am horribly logical in this case. I know it would be against almost the whole worlds opinion, but I think it's only fair.
Endangered species, who frankly isn't at fault and is caged vs 1 child in a billion who's in a place he shouldnt be (ok maybe not his fault).
Now who deserves to die based on that, neither of course, but why is the poor apes life worth less?
Given the limited number of them in existence in theory his life is worth more.
Endangered species, who frankly isn't at fault and is caged vs 1 child in a billion who's in a place he shouldnt be (ok maybe not his fault).
Now who deserves to die based on that, neither of course, but why is the poor apes life worth less?
Given the limited number of them in existence in theory his life is worth more.
It's a real shame, but the right choice was made in my opinion.
The boy was at huge risk and something had to be done, unfortunately the gorilla paid the price.
But this was an accident, it shouldn't have been able to happen, kids will be kids, everyone posting has probably done something stupid as a kid, this just ranks highly on the stupid list and unfortunately cost the world a gorilla.
The boy was at huge risk and something had to be done, unfortunately the gorilla paid the price.
But this was an accident, it shouldn't have been able to happen, kids will be kids, everyone posting has probably done something stupid as a kid, this just ranks highly on the stupid list and unfortunately cost the world a gorilla.
There's a frankly unrealistic expectation of parental oversight in this thread. Parents cannot watch their children every second of every day, while the zoo has a natural tension between wanting to let people get close to the animals and preventing them from being able to put themselves in harm's way. Without knowing how the child got in, and what the parents were doing at the time, I'm not going to blame either the parents or the zoo.
And, under the circumstances, the zoo had no choice but to shoot. Tragic for the zookeepers involved
And, under the circumstances, the zoo had no choice but to shoot. Tragic for the zookeepers involved
There's a frankly unrealistic expectation of parental oversight in this thread. Parents cannot watch their children every second of every day, while the zoo has a natural tension between wanting to let people get close to the animals and preventing them from being able to put themselves in harm's way. Without knowing how the child got in, and what the parents were doing at the time, I'm not going to blame either the parents or the zoo.
And, under the circumstances, the zoo had no choice but to shoot. Tragic for the zookeepers involved
Been to the zoo lots of times over the years, never had my child fall in an animal enclosure.
From this it seems the boy crawled through some bushes to gain access so I'd say both the parents and zoo could have done more to prevent it happening.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...iant-was-shot-dead/ar-BBtG37I?ocid=spartanntp
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...iant-was-shot-dead/ar-BBtG37I?ocid=spartanntp
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There's a frankly unrealistic expectation of parental oversight in this thread. Parents cannot watch their children every second of every day, while the zoo has a natural tension between wanting to let people get close to the animals and preventing them from being able to put themselves in harm's way. Without knowing how the child got in, and what the parents were doing at the time, I'm not going to blame either the parents or the zoo.
And, under the circumstances, the zoo had no choice but to shoot. Tragic for the zookeepers involved
Yeah but lets face it, when one has a drop into an enclosure filled with big dangerous animals, most reasonably expectations would reside with the parent bothering to look after their child for that part of the day, then ignore then for the other 23hours and 57 minutes.
I haven't seen a picture of where he fell from however, if it was just a half height rock wall beside a big drop, then I'd be amazed that the zoo didn't already have a Perspex shielding, if only to stop people throwing food.
I wondered why nowhere seems to have shown a picture of where he fell from.
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So if it was your child or family member would you be happy for the death of said member instead of an ape?
Of course not.
**** happens thats life we will have all moved on in the next couple of days.