Who's to blame for Harambe the Gorilla death?

Just a series of unfortunate events, why must everything result in someone to blame. It's exactly the same culture in the workplace, when something goes wrong, find out who is too blame, people spend more time arguing about who is too blame, than fixing the problem.

(I stole that from Michael Crichton - Rising Sun- but the sentiment has always stayed with me)

John Connor: The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Find out what's * up and fix it. Nobody gets blamed. We're always after who * up. Their way is better.
 
As the women on the BBC said - one concern is that the animal may have been investigating and potentially protecting the rest of the group from a new entity in their environment which could have changed dramatically at any moment if the Gorilla had come to the conclusion it was a threat to the group or started experimenting to try and figure it out - with a potential risk to life its better to end the situation as quickly and cleanly as possible.

Gorilla's are very intelligent, they would not see a small child as threatening. They're Herbivores and are only aggressive when confronted with something like a Leopard or a rival male. We're talking about an animal you can go spend time with in the wild, it's not a Tiger or a Lion - yes they are very powerful but if the Gorilla viewed the child as a threat, surely it would've just killed him?

Humans are terrible really, just utterly terrible
 
I'm surprised none of the reporting has shown where the child got in to the enclosure. There's been a few references to the fact that there are barriers there but nothing to suggest these were any more than a visual cue to adults and those with a high enough IQ to realise not to cross them. I'd be surprised if the kid scaled a fence with barbed wire along the top to get in to the enclosure. Can't see any reason why such a fence couldn't be disguised by a tree line on both sides so as to do the required job without spoiling the look.
 
what I find disgusting is the media and idiots attacking the parents. Yes they made a mistake, so did the zoo. Mistakes happen, even terrible ones. To then go around finding photos of the parents, and share relentlessly to social media is sickening. It's this generations obsession with quick fix bandwagons. I've heard groups of people have been targeting them in revenge attacks.

People will be throwing buckets of gorilla poo over their heads next in the name of charity (captured on video and shared to facebook obvoiusly) "gorrilanominations"

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I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.

I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.

I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.
 
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According to post #29, with a stick.

Alternately use of treats

Not going to happen. Harambe was already refusing to co-operate with the handlers, and no amount of sticks or treats will compel a 400lb gorilla to give up what he's holding.

These animals are so dangerous that zoo staff won't even enter their cages. That's why you can't just 'grab' something off a silverback.
 
Cant believe people are still rambling on about this,arguing whos at fault etc.

Yes sure its a sad loss of an endangered species,BUT look at the bigger picture,A kids life was saved it could have gone horribly wrong.

They keep saying the Gorilla didn't deserve to die,he was docile etc..he was docile because he didn't know what was going on or what the hell was in his cage,If the kid had tried to run or the Zoo keepers shot the Gorilla with a Tranq or something i bet that Gorilla wouldn't have been very nice and it would have been a totally different outcome.

I honestly blame the zoo for not making sure the enclosure was secure (it obviously wasn't if a kid got in)..i dont blame the parents as we all know you get distracted for 2 seconds anything could happen with a kid.

They done the right thing shooting dead the Gorilla imo,Although the Zoo should still face the consequences of poor safety.
 
You're an animal. Your family are animals. Your friends are animals. Do your and their deaths not matter?

Yes, the majority of us here eat meat but killing a farmed animal for sustenance is completely different to shooting a highly intelligent, highly endangered animal due to human stupidity and negligence.

I don't accept any of that. You know I am right, so stop arguing for the sake of it.
 
so the kid tells his mum in advance that he wants to get in the water then proceeds to climb over the fence, go through the bushes and jump down into a 15 ft moat

but it is the Zoo's fault?

You are being obtuse. He's four years old FFS. He shouldn't be able to get into the enclosure. End of discussion.
 
what I find disgusting is the media and idiots attacking the parents. Yes they made a mistake, so did the zoo. Mistakes happen, even terrible ones. To then go around finding photos of the parents, and share relentlessly to social media is sickening. It's this generations obsession with quick fix bandwagons. I've heard groups of people have been targeting them in revenge attacks.

Totally agree. And thanks for your insight on the situation glen8 - nice to read the thoughts of someone who genuinely understands the situation and the behaviour of gorillas.

It enforces my thoughts - in that unfortunately the zoo has to except liability - if a 4 year old can breach an enclosure then it's not secure.

I've just seen on the news the parents are to be 'investigated'. Probably to satisfy the blood thirst of the masses.
 
the zoo preferred to have a dead gorilla than a dead child

zoo made the right choice

I could imagine the lawsuit that would follow.

Just read an article on BBC about this and some time back, the same zoo had two polar bears manage to leave their enclosure and enter a service hall.

I don't understand why people are so evil. Regardless of what her son managed to do, I feel sorry for the parents with the amount of abuse they are receiving. Everyone is always so quick to judge.
 
I read the Mothers Facebook post, she didn't even mention a single time that she felt bad for the Gorilla or anything of the sort. From what I saw the Gorilla could've easily been trying to keep the child safe after he felt scared from all the idiot bystanders screaming
 
i dont blame the parents as we all know you get distracted for 2 seconds anything could happen with a kid.

Would you apply that same logic to a 4 year old who runs into a busy road because there wasn't a 6ft wall alongside it? Or is it the parents fault for not paying adequate attention in a dangerous environment?

I agree that the zoo is partly to blame as the enclosure shouldn't have been so easy to get into, but at the same time, kids will be kids and are very good at getting into places if there's no-one there to stop them; that's what the parent's should be there for.
 
I read the Mothers Facebook post, she didn't even mention a single time that she felt bad for the Gorilla or anything of the sort. From what I saw the Gorilla could've easily been trying to keep the child safe after he felt scared from all the idiot bystanders screaming

I wouldn't call dragging a child through shallow water keeping the child safe.
 
Would you apply that same logic to a 4 year old who runs into a busy road because there wasn't a 6ft wall alongside it? Or is it the parents fault for not paying adequate attention in a dangerous environment?

A zoo should not be a dangerous environment. It's a place to which the public are specifically intended to bring their children and look at animals in safety. Parents should not need to be concerned about their children being eaten at the zoo!
 
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