Who's to blame for Harambe the Gorilla death?

Avenged7Fold said:
the blame will not reinforce the need for safety measures in the future
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Well, I think it will in a way. Finding the zoo partly to blame will mean they are required to improve their fencing. Finding the parents partly to blame will (hopefully) encourage other parents to be a bit more careful with their kids.

If it was found to purely the fault of one party, then the other party would feel absolved of any requirement to change.

So whilst assigning blame is in itself unproductive, the indirect effects of that blame being assigned will hopefully go some way to preventing a similar incident occurring in future.
 
seeing as police are only investigating parents, can only assume that it was very secure.
is there any pictures etc of how he got in.
 
Glaucus said:
seeing as police are only investigating parents, can only assume that it was very secure.
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I would be very surprised if there isn't an investigation of the zoo.

is there any pictures etc of how he got in.
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I can't find any but sources I've read seem to suggest that he simply crawled through some bushes and dropped into the enclosure.

I think this is one of the better pieces I've read on it so far: Yes, Child Trumps Gorilla. Can’t Even Believe That Actually Needs To Be Said.
 
A very unfortunate incident. The right decision was made, the safest way to retrieve the child was unfortunately to kill the Gorilla. It sucks but as soon as the Gorilla got anywhere near the child it was really the only viable option.

Without knowing exactly what happened I don't see how you can put blame on the parents (unless they boosted him over the fence so he could take a closer look). Anyone with a child knows that they can dart off in a split second, you can't be holding onto them literally 100% of the time. Ultimately there should be no way of the public accessing these enclosures by accident or otherwise.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
It is worth noting that until this incident, it was considered safe for xx years.
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In the past it would have been considered a rare accident and a future lesson to others, today measures will be taken to make the enclosure idiot proof and people/parents will simply carry on being stupid. I dread to think what the future holds with such logic.
 
Perhaps not so much idiot proof - but secure so that a small child is unable to compromise the permitter so easily. As already suggested several times, the zoo has failed in their duty of care - whether people like it or not.

Personally I think it's reasonable to assume that short of hurling your children over an enclosure, they are safe in a zoo to roam freely with regards to animal enclosures. To suggest there's any risk to safety which is acceptable is absurd.
 
Domo said:
Perhaps not so much idiot proof - but secure so that a small child is unable to compromise the permitter so easily. As already suggested several times, the zoo has failed in their duty of care - whether people like it or not.

Personally I think it's reasonable to assume that short of hurling your children over an enclosure, they are safe in a zoo to roam freely with regards to animal enclosures. To suggest there's any risk to safety which is acceptable is absurd.
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Its one aspect I do wonder about - whenever I've been to places that have animals of that potential danger they've always had a very high fence with wire mesh to stop anything going either way (even when there is a tall concrete wall to stop animals getting out) and/or a proper moat.
 
Some of the quoted responses from Thane Maynard (Zoo Director) seem rather complacent in terms of barriers 'barriers can be broken' & 'some people can get past it'. Well obviously some people could break it if they were determined or get past it but were not talking about people as in adults were talking about a 4 year old being able to breach said barrier. Even though the barrier is reported to exceed regulatory codes it would seem these are not strict enough for an enclosure such as this.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3156006/cincinnati-zoo-to-change-barrier/
 
thenewoc said:
Some of the quoted responses from Thane Maynard (Zoo Director) seem rather complacent in terms of barriers 'barriers can be broken' & 'some people can get past it'. Well obviously some people could break it if they were determined or get past it but were not talking about people as in adults were talking about a 4 year old being able to breach said barrier. Even though the barrier is reported to exceed regulatory codes it would seem these are not strict enough for an enclosure such as this.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3156006/cincinnati-zoo-to-change-barrier/
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there was a fence, some bushes and then a 15ft drop into a moat... the Zoo is fine, the kid is a bit dim and the parents pretty irresponsible especially after the little **** stated he was going to go in the water

if a 4 year old decided to jump in front of a tube train or just any train would all stations in the country require glass barriers with automatic doors on all platforms to stop kids from jumping in front of trains? (a rather rare event)


(they are actually quite useful on the underground when it gets crowded tbh...)
 
What is the obsession with blame? It was an accident. Nobody wanted that to happen.

You can say that the parents should have been looking out for the kid better, the zoo install bigger fences and the kid could have not been so dumb, but what does it matter now? The chances of those exact set of circumstances unfolding again are so slim. Far more important things in life worth worrying about improving safety for.
 
dowie said:
there was a fence, some bushes and then a 15ft drop into a moat... the Zoo is fine, the kid is a bit dim and the parents pretty irresponsible especially after the little **** stated he was going to go in the water

if a 4 year old decided to jump in front of a tube train or just any train would all stations in the country require glass barriers with automatic doors on all platforms to stop kids from jumping in front of trains? (a rather rare event)


(they are actually quite useful on the underground when it gets crowded tbh...)
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Perspec backer to the fence or a recesed net fence in the bushes.

Its hardly a bank breaking addition.
 
Clum said:
What is the obsession with blame? It was an accident. Nobody wanted that to happen.

You can say that the parents should have been looking out for the kid better, the zoo install bigger fences and the kid could have not been so dumb, but what does it matter now? The chances of those exact set of circumstances unfolding again are so slim. Far more important things in life worth worrying about improving safety for.
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Accidents are preventable if the right controls are in place and remain effective. In this case, the zoo should have done more to secure the animal enclosure. I imagine they will be conducting a risk assessment of all class 1 animal enclosures in the immediate future. Maybe you're right and the likelihood of this happening again might be very low, but the consequences or impact of it happening again are too high to simply dismiss.
 
Parents fault, they should have used a tranquilizer.

Yes, there was a risk but one worth taking imo.

I'd like to see the barriers the boy so easily climbed over.
 
It's the parents who are to blame.

It must have been a hard decision for the zoo staff to shoot the gorilla, but for the safety of the child, it was probably the right thing to do.
 
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