People's opinion of OLED vs LED HDR tvs?

woppy101 said:
Glad your happy, nothing compares to the colour and blacks of an OLED
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Yeah it's a cracking picture. Only tried Avatar and Pacific rim out film wise.

Gaming wise Uncharted 4 looks the business and zen pinball 2 quite frankly blew me away in 3D. I know a lot don't like curved tvs but you barely notice it and tbh the curve is really minimal anyway.

I'm seriously impressed. It blows my 5 year old lcd Sammy out of the water.
 
addyb said:
Yeah it's a cracking picture. Only tried Avatar and Pacific rim out film wise.

Gaming wise Uncharted 4 looks the business and zen pinball 2 quite frankly blew me away in 3D. I know a lot don't like curved tvs but you barely notice it and tbh the curve is really minimal anyway.

I'm seriously impressed. It blows my 5 year old lcd Sammy out of the water.
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Welcome to the oled club :) glad you are enjoying your new TV.

Watching films on my 930v is an absolute delight and there is absolutely no way I'd ever go back to LCD now.
 
Yeah I think I'm stuck with oled now. Blacks are as black as can be. It was the first thing I noticed. Looking forward to tonight's game of thrones now and try out a few more games.
 
Even the top end LCDs have lacklustre blacks. The FALD ones aren't too bad (my previous TV had this) but still cannot compare to oled. Anyone spending over a grand on a TV should be buying an oled in my opinion.
 
Are the oled's typically delivered with a better calibration than LCD's were, and can you load a calibration off of a USB stick say ?
(since panel manufactures limited there should be good process control)

.. with Panasonic's it is laborious to input someone elses, same panel, calibration (and worse manually having to adjust tv settings to try and find a sweet spot if you use something like an eye one yourself, like for monitor characterisation )
 
jpaul said:
Are the oled's typically delivered with a better calibration than LCD's were, and can you load a calibration off of a USB stick say ?
(since panel manufactures limited there should be good process control)

.. with Panasonic's it is laborious to input someone elses, same panel, calibration (and worse manually having to adjust tv settings to try and find a sweet spot if you use something like an eye one yourself, like for monitor characterisation )
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Never use someone else's settings as all TVs are diffrent and you will most likely make the colour reproduction of your tv worse, the only way to get calibration settings is to get a calibrater to do it for you, the cost is between £250-400 depending on the callibrater.
 
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you mean a calibration device as opposed to a person to do it for you.
I have an eye one (x-rite), but for tv calibration ( compared to a monitor where you can just load up an icm colour table in windows/linux ) the tv's have many interdependent controls (eg colour temp, gamma) so it is difficult to manually try the combinations to minimise the delta colour deviation across the spectrum.
I thought Pioneer Kuros used to have a more monitor like calibration mechanism and wondered if something similar was on oleds, although I think difference between oled panels (vs lcd) may be small so if you have a calibration for night time (or 5.8K daylight) it would be good for everyone ( with Panasonics although you can store a different calibration for each hdmi input, switching them over for daylight or night viewing is a faff, a more convenient mechanism would be great)

[if you did have someone do the calibration for you I have never investigated how much it would cost or whether they have access to better technology,
a group buy or rental of a device would be a good plan because the filters on them degrade or maybe you could have a maintenance contract]
 
The Eye One is too old for OLED. Even the i1 Display Pro cannot correctly work with white OLED. As many on AVS discovered, it comes out with a hint of green. It can read RGB OLED though but you need a really good spectro for the i1 Display Pro for the correct matrix for white OLED.

Most of these expensive TVs has day and night mode.
 
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When can I get a 4k oled for 1500...that's when I buy.

I have a 6y old pana plasma..kid is 4 now and just about stopped hitting it and kissing it...so I can almost upgrade.
 
MissChief said:
I can get a 4k OLED through work via salary sacrifice over nine months for £1499. Not sure I will or not though.
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I have just got a 55oledb6v and it's fantastic, the retail price is £2799 but I managed to get mine for £2399 from Costco and from what I have read elsewhere this is the model you can get for £1499 with monthly payments which is a steal.
 
lnoton said:
When can I get a 4k oled for 1500...that's when I buy.

I have a 6y old pana plasma..kid is 4 now and just about stopped hitting it and kissing it...so I can almost upgrade.
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mines 8 years old now. I'm actually past the point of wanting to upgrade it, just going to run it in to the ground i think. I do wish it was a bit lighter though. We moved last year and ive only just put it back up on the wall....forgot how heavy it is :p We had one of those smart electric & gas meters fitted recently as well, makes me smirk when switch the amp and tv on and the power consumption jumps by about 800 watts :D

im still watching oled technology and pricing of course, just not in a hurry to jump in right now.
 
V F said:
The Eye One is too old for OLED. Even the i1 Display Pro cannot correctly work with white OLED. As many on AVS discovered, it comes out with a hint of green. It can read RGB OLED though but you need a really good spectro for the i1 Display Pro for the correct matrix for white OLED.

Most of these expensive TVs has day and night mode.
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Is that really true though? Iv calibrated my E6 Oled and my last 950 Oled using the i1 Display pro and there's no hint of green at all when using the HCFR software.

I did have the green hint then I clicked OLED as the panel type but clicking on none refresh display instead fixed that and having viewed many calibrated panels it looks excellent.
 
I found an avs article on lg oled calibration with i1 this suggested issue is with auto-dimming on the lg set, I have not yet discovered what that is ? I thought they had 'perfect' black to no need for dimming
see here
and here

I have used an i1 for calibrating a pc pls screen, but as I said if you are viewing a oled in the dark then I do not see why the calibration would not be the same for everyone since only one supplier (multiple factories ?)
the remote calibration app for tablets you can get for Panasonic 902's looks nice too, no mention lg oled has similar app.
[humax set top box t2 has a tablet app where you can look at tv guide and change channel, I am not aware tv manufactures have adopted this idea though - much better than a remote]
 
jpaul said:
I found an avs article on lg oled calibration with i1 this suggested issue is with auto-dimming on the lg set, I have not yet discovered what that is ? I thought they had 'perfect' black to no need for dimming
see here
and here

I have used an i1 for calibrating a pc pls screen, but as I said if you are viewing a oled in the dark then I do not see why the calibration would not be the same for everyone since only one supplier (multiple factories ?)
the remote calibration app for tablets you can get for Panasonic 902's looks nice too, no mention lg oled has similar app.
[humax set top box t2 has a tablet app where you can look at tv guide and change channel, I am not aware tv manufactures have adopted this idea though - much better than a remote]
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The auto dimming is to help with any IR
 
explain ? it was not a rhetorical question
article suggest colorimeter reads wrong value because oled display has immediately dimmed it following displaying correct colour -
for lcd they dim backlght to make up for inadequate black range vs oled;
maybe it is for motion resolution, introducing black frames, ensuring no image persistence like for lcd, (so drive it to black after a frame is displayed), but inference is you cannot disable it (like lcd dimming/motion comp) it so it messes up the calibration
 
jpaul said:
explain ? it was not a rhetorical question
article suggest colorimeter reads wrong value because oled display has immediately dimmed it following displaying correct colour -
for lcd they dim backlght to make up for inadequate black range vs oled;
maybe it is for motion resolution, introducing black frames, ensuring no image persistence like for lcd, (so drive it to black after a frame is displayed), but inference is you cannot disable it (like lcd dimming/motion comp) it so it messes up the calibration
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It takes about 2 minutes for an OLED to start auto dimming with a static image, and a static calibration slide is never on for longer than a minute before the next one so it's a non issue
 
Thanks,
also did some more searching over breakfast, as you say unclear it could impact calibration

Originally Posted by LG Support

Dear Chris,

We have checked the issue with the factory and received the following results:

The OLED TV dims Pictures/Videos, if it recognize them as a still image to prevent itself from burn-in effects.
This function cannot be switched off. There is also no special software available.

The OLED TV also dims Pictures/Videos, if the amount of white is over 60% of the picture proportion.
This function prevents too high power take-ups, related to the energy efficiency, which are prescribed by the EU.
This function cannot be switched off as well.

We feel sorry for not having better news but the TV complies with the specifications. There is nothing we can do, also nothing to repair as the TV has no fault. So we will prepare the TV to return it to you. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to contact me.
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When I noticed that the TV was dimming after a while I have checked all settings again and made sure everything was off. Everything was off so this shouldn't happen.
After extensive testing I noticed this was not happening at random but in "slow" movies (It's not happening in animated and action movies for example), during long scenes (60s+) to be more specific.
Now this is very annoying because when it dims you can barely see anything, especially in "dark" scenes. The most recent movie we watched was Quentin Tarantino's The Hateful Eight, needless to says the movie experience was real bad when one has to hit the remote or display the player's menu every time the TV dims.
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Burn-in issues? Power consumption issues? Surely not, OLED's perfect isn't it? :p

Sounds like it has many of the problems Plasma used to have and we all know what happened to that - became a totally niche product for enthusiasts when LCD provided a perfectly acceptable alternative at a fraction of the cost, far lower power consumption and no burn-in issues. Maybe not the ultimate black levels of plasma but 99% of the public didn't care.

Same is going to happen with OLED I fear. It will end up and expensive niche option with the same issues. The latest LCDs have evolved to the point where only real enthusiasts will put up with the downsides in exchange for the upsides.
 
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