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KillBoY_UK · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:27

The statement from the father of the shooter made my jaw drop this morning :eek:

scorza · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:29

foster grant said:
I live not very far at all ( a short bus ride )from where some of the " gangs of thugs " decided to set fire to busses or bus..and buildings , oh and break into shops and steal too , but I dont recall London being out of control for any number of days lol

Did you have any reason to call 999 during that period? What do you think would have happened if you did?

plasmahal · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:29

Longbow said:
Much like nuclear weapons, it's a deterrent. We either have peace, or everyone's dead.

That's a very good point/analogy.

cheesyboy · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:32

KillBoY_UK said:
The statement from the father of the shooter made my jaw drop this morning

Which bit?

Felon · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:34

plasmahal said:
That's a very good point/analogy.

It's a rubbish analogy, because deterrence with nuclear weapons is effective - because nobody dies,

deterrence, where everyone is armed with guns is ineffective, because 30k people a year die.

KillBoY_UK · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:36

cheesyboy said:
Which bit?

The "is not in the hands of humans" as it was only God who could judge." bit
Just seems like a poorly poorly veiled "he shouldn't of done it but I don't disagree with it" Imo.

cheesyboy · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:45

KillBoY_UK said:
The "is not in the hands of humans" as it was only God who could judge." bit
Just seems like a poorly poorly veiled "he shouldn't of done it but I don't disagree with it" Imo.

Sounds a pretty level attitude toward homosexuality to me. As much as could be expected from a person of religion. Live and let live: leave the judgement to God.

KillBoY_UK · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:51

cheesyboy said:
Sounds a pretty level attitude toward homosexuality to me. As much as could be expected from a person of religion. Live and let live: leave the judgement to God.

I suppose that's one other way of looking at it to be fair.

Chris Wilson · 13 Jun 2016 at 10:58

Screeeech said:
I think a good place to start would be to severely curtail the media reports, when one of these incidents takes place.

Leading the headlines with pictures of the killer, his name and who he was - along with the total body count figure, is a very risky thing to do. It's basically broadcasting an open platform for the next damaged/ill/unstable/fundamental person to gain worldwide infamy, by ending it in this way.

I'm all for the reporting of news, but I don't think it takes that much intelligence to notice that the way the media handle these things isn't helping one bit.

The media could ask Rotherham Social Services for advice on how to keep the lid on news that may cast an unfavourable light on certain sections of a population. Good idea.....

Or Newcastle upon Tyne police could perhaps help, where accusations of migrants brought in on Cameron's scheme to help out are accused of sexual assault on 14 year old girls, yet they "forgot to mention it", despite reports of trivial incidents and court cases from the same period making their force's web pages...

Let's pretend this religious war isn't happening, despite the West's opponents stating it most definitely is. They might go away.

Avenged7Fold · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:03

Lol how do you manage to bring in a UK migration agenda into everything.

Was this not done on US soil, by a US born citizen?

RaohNS · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:06

thep02 said:
Wow shocking to see a Turkish newspaper with the headline "50 perverts dead"

We are surprised by this? What do you expect from a govt that supports ISIS and is effectively an Islamic State itself. Britain backs many monstrous regimes in the middle east.

RaohNS · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:14

Chris Wilson said:
The media could ask Rotherham Social Services for advice on how to keep the lid on news that may cast an unfavourable light on certain sections of a population. Good idea.....

Or Newcastle upon Tyne police could perhaps help, where accusations of migrants brought in on Cameron's scheme to help out are accused of sexual assault on 14 year old girls, yet they "forgot to mention it", despite reports of trivial incidents and court cases from the same period making their force's web pages...

Let's pretend this religious war isn't happening, despite the West's opponents stating it most definitely is. They might go away.

Hmmm. After realizing how the press have behaved and ever since my new years resolution a couple of years ago not to watch, read or listen to any main stream news I can safely say I feel far more informed. The BBC and C5 for example recently denied the Rotherham incident ever happened.

I've heard reports of sexual assaults that haven't made it to mainstream (granted all from Europe and I am not familiar with the NuT).

It was like the incident I mentioned a few months ago of a school being under siege by tens of European men. The school denied it, the police denied it and the press denied it. It was a cover up to prevent matters escalating further. I can see the narrative but the truth is the truth.

thep02 · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:16

Obama's had to speak as president about 15 mass shootings so far during his tenure at the head of the regime.

krooton · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:16

foster grant said:
I live not very far at all ( a short bus ride )from where some of the " gangs of thugs " decided to set fire to busses or bus..and buildings , oh and break into shops and steal too , but I dont recall London being out of control for any number of days lol

Same, nice try though scorzy.

Chris Wilson · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:19

Avenged7Fold said:
Lol how do you manage to bring in a UK migration agenda into everything.

Was this not done on US soil, by a US born citizen?

Was that directed to me? I was merely responding with how some authorities in the UK have experience of keeping news that they deemed embarrassing or troubling from the general public.

You and others say this man was born in the US and thus a US citizen. So it may be, but a piece of paper does not trump his innate ideology and beliefs. Those could take many generations to change, if they were to change at all.

A captive bred wild animal is not, and cannot be immediately acceptive to a new environment, and with respect people with deeply entrenched beliefs utterly opposed to western values, which themselves have changed drastically in recent times, (homosexuality was of course illegal here in England until comparatively recently), do not change them due to a first or second generation US birth. Hell, I know plenty of native English Christian people who still do not think homosexuality should have been legalised. I don't know of any who are so strongly opinionated, or led, to murder them en masse though.

Felon · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:20

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Chris Wilson said:
The media could ask Rotherham Social Services for advice on how to keep the lid on news that may cast an unfavourable light on certain sections of a population. Good idea.....

Or Newcastle upon Tyne police could perhaps help, where accusations of migrants brought in on Cameron's scheme to help out are accused of sexual assault on 14 year old girls, yet they "forgot to mention it", despite reports of trivial incidents and court cases from the same period making their force's web pages...

Let's pretend this religious war isn't happening, despite the West's opponents stating it most definitely is. They might go away.

You're totally misreading what I'm saying..

I'm not saying "BAN ALL COVERAGE"

I'm saying, that perhaps it's not a good idea to plaster the killers face all over the front page, with the kill count as the main headline and make it 24/7 global news.

Don't make it front page news every time it happens, because it simply isn't helpful.

Avenged7Fold · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:22

scorza said:
People have short memories, it took the government a good number of days to retake control of London. I don't live in London anymore but I work with people who do - they were very, very worried because they had no means of defending themselves or their households against the gangs of thugs.

Lol take control of London again?

I and many others who live/workd in the area at the time, will tell you that the police never needed to 'take back control'.

If there were people in the area willing to use guns to defend themselves against these small time hoodie blokes, then you can guarantee a proper riot would follow and the incident would have been much worse.

Chris Wilson · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:31

Thankfully when I lived in a Manchester suburb we had had James Anderton as chief constable for the 1981 Moss Side riots. When Greenheys Police Station (Moss Side nick, re-named), came under siege he said enough is enough, sort `em out, and they did. he was none PC and many of his force to this day hold in the highest esteem. Not sure how GMP would or could react if it happened again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anderton

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...q4btXGfIQ&sig2=7JLg0TDvS3uJIDib3t4nXA&cad=rja

Basically the London riots were left to fizzle out, after causing millions of pounds of damage with huge looting. The policing was pitiful, and the military should have been brought in.

glenimp617 · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgd9q8ugs4

come on, which one of you is this

I know you're on OCUK GD

Chris Wilson · 13 Jun 2016 at 11:35

Screeeech said:
You're totally misreading what I'm saying..

I'm not saying "BAN ALL COVERAGE"

I'm saying, that perhaps it's not a good idea to plaster the killers face all over the front page, with the kill count as the main headline and make it 24/7 global news.

Don't make it front page news every time it happens, because it simply isn't helpful.

OK, I see what you are saying, and I tend to agree most media coverage is now over done and sensationalised, from Diana's funeral, to that of Mohammed Ali and Mandela, from semi dramatised and choreographed nightly news bulletins, to news chat shows and newspaper headlines. It's an industry and a rather dirty one.