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Yas786 said:
So no moral outrage at what the Westboro baptist church tweeted earlier today then???

Or have you lot been too busy arguing about how evil Islam and Muslims are, to take any notice what that crazy Christian church is spouting off??
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They are a hateful and horrible group but unless I'm mistaken they haven't killed anyone, they just stand out side with those signs don't they?
 
RaohNS said:
Essentially we have to respect that it is the US constitution. It was put in the deliberately to ensure government didn't become tyrannical.

Americans should have the right to bear arms but the answer as always lies on the middle ground. Are assault rifles a right? Bazookas? 50cal sniper rifles?
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The second amendment isn't unfettered as it is, there are already plenty of restrictions and limitations. So all it needs is tightening up some more.
 
Getting guns is very easy in the States.

I got my hands on a selection of semi automatic rifles with just my driving licence in Georgia but in Pennsylvania I couldn't get a drink in a bar with the same licence because they "only take United States ID"...
 
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Terminal_Boy said:
Anyone would think that she'd been throwing gays off a tall building by the amount of grief she's getting.

Let's be very clear. ISIS supporters aren't killing people because of their sexuality.

They are killing people because who:

A. Aren't Muslims.

B. Are the wrong type for Muslim.
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Regardless of that aspect, all I keep reading is how Hartley-Brewer is portrayed as a horrible horrible homophobic person from so many comments on so many articles. That she is some horrible horrible woman. The end. All aboard.

Why are we doing this? Don't know but we have to follow the herd. That is the mentality out there.
 
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Yas786 said:
So no moral outrage at what the Westboro baptist church tweeted earlier today then???

Or have you lot been too busy arguing about how evil Islam and Muslims are, to take any notice what that crazy Christian church is spouting off??
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I haven't read what they tweeted as frankly I don't care. It's well known they don't like gays. But they don't go around shooting 50 of them, so no, 'us lot' aren't talking about their tweet..
 
Yas786 said:
So no moral outrage at what the Westboro baptist church tweeted earlier today then???
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You should apologise to yourself for following their twitter feed :p

In all seriousness, that group just spout off the most hateful things they can, about anything that's going on in the world 24/7/365, tomorrow it'll be something else and again the day after that.
 
Screeeech said:
You should apologise to yourself for following their twitter feed :p

In all seriousness, that group just spout off the most hateful things they can, about anything that's going on in the world 24/7/365, tomorrow it'll be something else and again the day after that.
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Even ISIS don't take them seriously
 
Florida Imam Musri on CNN again just, now condemning the attack but yesterday he never bothered in his ramble about why it is nothing to do with Islam and the media should stop jumping to conclusions.

This half arsed fake ramble for tv turned into the same after 30 seconds and he's now blaming all Islamic terrorism on drugs and brainwashing and that it is nothing to do with Islam.
 
Werewolf said:
And once again the "extremist" has a history of mental illness, and once again an American spree killer with legally held guns has a history of mental illness.
I'm seeing a pattern to the American spree killers that suggests that religion has very little to do with it.
Pretty much all of the spree killers have made claims about it being for one reason or another, but most of them have had issues with mental health, or previous violence.

I believe the UK police/security services did a study recently into the various UK extremists who have gone to join ISIS, or committed acts of violence and the common factor that stood out more than the fact they were supposedly Muslim, as that most were known to have mental health issues and not devout Muslims* prior to the acts that brought them to the public attention, or were criminals before they converted.

I would like to say I'm shocked this sensless killing, but it's reached the point where it feels like the only shock is the sheer number of deaths, such events are becoming almost routine. My thoughts are with the families, and victims for what little that matters.


*a history of drinking, taking drugs, sex outside of marriage etc..
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Absolutely.

There was a study into the high number of British men heading to Syria to join ISIL and the main things they had in common were: disassociation from society; poor education; poor social skills; mental health issues (after all, it takes a psychopath to commit mass, unbiased, murder).

One thing is clear, "radicalisation" isn't actually the issue some might think here. There is no extreme Muslim undercurrent or underworld, working to radicalise and convert young and susceptible men. I mean sure, there are operatives, creating videos online and beckoning people to come and fight for "the greater good" but it really isn't quite as some here suspect. Heck, many of our defectors are barely devout Muslim.

As soon as people realise that the term radicalisation is a media fuelled non issue and that instead the responsibility is as much on us to address the root causes of disaffected young people today, the sooner the problem is addressed. There is no doubt that if the offender in this instance, an Afghan come American, was better fostered and any issue earlier identified (and addressed) this attack may have been avoided.

I now await my re-education from those here who know better and that religion is to blame. After all, what do I know, this whole subject is essentially my job.
 
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Glaucus said:
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he pledged allegiance,

has anyone said he's been specifically recruited and planned by high up ISIS figures?
ISIS has repeatedly called for people to plan their own attack without help, and this certainly fits that bill.
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This.

They also called for attacks around the world at the start of Ramadan.
 
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