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Longbow said:
What you basing that on though?

I'm not sure why you are comparing the US to 1930s Germany, I don't see them as similar in any way.
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How would a government that is likely to cause the population to take up weapons against them, become the government in the first place? The only way it could happen would be if they were elected and then became tyrannical but policies advance through the houses at the speed of continental drift so I can't see the danger.
 
RoboCod said:
Yet neo naziism exists and grows today.

I assume you propose telling millions of practicing Muslims that they must now stop practising or face legal punishment. Do you really expect them all to say "oh OK, I don't believe in God anymore" and just stop being Muslim? For many this is their life.

All your proposal would do is push the majority, normal, law abiding Muslim populace underground. If anything you'd create more extremist sympathisers, as they feel that they are being persecuted by their government simply because of their faith.

You fail to understand the route cause of the issue and this is why you belive in an incorrect and ultimately ludicrous resolution. As Caged alludes, you're proposing telling people how to think, that's just silly.
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Its not down to us anymore. Its an issue for the government to fix Enough of violent educing sky fairies please ! They should employ some smart psychiatrists who understand what causes the mind to tick the way it does, and to figure out how to bring em back to sanity without them even knowing about it. Not for one moment does a reasonable person think that the son of god aka Allah, who went by the name of Mohammed came down to earth and converted all these millions actually billions of people. i'm sure there's a way out there using propaganda of some kind, to change their way of thinking. Much in the same way Germans prior to 1939 were not all evil Jew hating Nazi's... However a little propaganda and some powerful speeches, it became accepted and the people were led to self destruction. I admit it does all sound a bit crazy, i agree, but getting billions into starving themselves during ramadan over some mythical figure is even more crazy. Proof that Ppeople can be easily led ! It really wouldn't take that much to ridicule a certain type of religion into non-existence.
 
I'm intrigued by someone who I assume is quite conservative thinking that the answer to a problem is more government.
 
thedoc46 said:
Didn't say it was going to be easy. Shut down Mosques under the grounds that they preach terror. Same way we'd shut down any gatherings promoting Nazism The alternative is sit back and watch society go down the pan as we get attacked on a monthly basis.

We've tried accepting and welcoming people of different faiths and they still are if they're not going to promote terrorism, but as for Islam, it simply isn't working.
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Hahahaha. This is about the most disastrous idea I've ever read in my whole ****ing life when it comes to our utterly futile attempts at sorting out the global terrorism issue. :D

You seriously think shutting down mosques is going to stop us getting attacked by terrorists? How brilliantly insightful, someone award this man the Nobel Peace Prize.

Not only that but you think the "alternative" to not shutting down mosques is "get attacked on a monthly basis."

I've literally been sitting here laughing for 5 minutes and I may continue for a further 10-15 minutes.

Firstly, not all terrorist attacks are conspired, many aren't.
Secondly, the fact that a mosque is unavailable as a mutually chosen location for the purposes of conspiring to commit terror attacks is absolutely 100% unrelated to anything whatsoever. You seem to have absolutely zero understanding of cause and effect. Like a couple of terrorists planning devastation are going to be stopped dead in their tracks because the mosque is closed. :D If anything that's going to ****ing fuel them!!!

Not only is it pure retardation, it's shooting OURSELVES in the foot by creating a brand new antagonist into the mix. 99% of people who have been attending mosques all their lives with absolutely no intention, reason nor mental inclination to blow someone to smithereens a brand new reason to blow someone to smithereens.

Here we have millions of people, who congregate. Due to the very nature of religion these people are under a form of psychosis. This distance from reality, paired with the fact that their choice of sociality could be a cause of, or causing, deeper psychological impediments means it's an absolutely 100% terrible idea to shut down mosques. If that happens we WILL without a doubt be bombarded with at least 10 times more terrorist attacks.

How many people across the globe go inside a mosque, pray, then walk straight out without resorting to planning a terrorist attack? If the relative proportionality of people going to mosques to plan terrorist attacks was anything over 0.0001% there would be bombs going off every ****ing minute of every ****ing day. You clearly have no idea how many non terroristically inclined individuals go to mosques, but yeah lets shut down their well known and easily infiltrateable congregation grounds and create a brand new army of terroristically inclined underground groups.

You should become a politician.
 
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asim18 said:
Hahahaha. This is about the most disastrous idea I've ever read in my whole ****ing life when it comes to our utterly futile attempts at sorting out the global terrorism issue. :D

You seriously think shutting down mosques is going to stop us getting attacked by terrorists? Someone award this man the Nobel Peace Prize.

Not only that but you think the "alternative" to not shutting down mosques is "get attacked on a monthly basis."

I've literally been sitting here laughing for 5 minutes and I may continue for a further 10-15 minutes.

Firstly, not all terrorist attacks are conspired, many aren't.
Secondly, the fact that a mosque is unavailable as a mutually chosen location for the purposes of conspiring to commit terror attacks is absolutely 100% unrelated to anything whatsoever. You seem to have absolutely zero understanding of cause and effect. Like a couple of terrorists planning devastation are going to be stopped dead in their tracks because the mosque is closed. :D If anything that's going to ****ing fuel them!!!

Not only is it pure retardation, it's shooting OURSELVES in the foot by creating a brand new antagonist into the mix. 99% of people who have been attending mosques all their lives with absolutely no intention, reason nor mental inclination to blow someone to smithereens a brand new reason to blow someone to smithereens.

Here we have millions of people, who congregate. Due to the very nature of religion these people are under a form of psychosis. This distance from reality, paired with the fact that their choice of sociality could be a cause of, or causing, deeper psychological impediments means it's an absolutely 100% terrible idea to shut down mosques. If that happens we WILL without a doubt be bombarded with at least 10 times more terrorist attacks.

How many people across the globe go inside a mosque, pray, then walk straight out without resorting to planning a terrorist attack? If the relative proportionality of people going to mosques to plan terrorist attacks was anything over 0.0001% there would be bombs going off every ****ing minute of every ****ing day. You clearly have no idea how many non terroristically inclined individuals go to mosques, but yeah lets shut down their well known and easily infiltrateable congregation grounds and create a brand new army of terroristically inclined underground groups.

You should become a politician.
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Fascism & racism was once upon a time widely accepted. It was the norm for many a country. Turns out it just bought the worst out in people, so everyone got together and fought against it. While it does exist today, its only in minor circles.

I think the world is starting to realise that Islam while under the guise of the religion of peace is far far far from peaceful. Therefore it shouldn't be allowed in society. For the way it treats its women, for the way it treats its own. For christ sake, if you're a Muslim you're supposed to be starving yourself and following a set of almost barbaric rules just cos a bunch of man made rules. But oh no its a religion so everyone keep telling each other its all ok, its just the few. Remember this and many other religions were just created to control the masses. We need to come up with a way to un-brainwashing all this nonsense that's been pumped into their brains. They're only taught to hate. They're not born to hate. How are they being taught to hate? Thru their religion. Nothing else.. .These are not psychopaths. They've just been led down the wrong path. I don't know why they see the romance in the killing, why they think they're doing it for the good of their god? Clearly they're brainwashed. Its needs to be dismantled broken down, proved a big lie, and hopefully it will allow humanity to live in better harmony.
 
{T5K}TT said:
Are you going to lump the massacre in November 2015 in France into your 'theory' too? I put it to you that there is a difference between most US mass shootings and this most recent one in the USA, and that difference might just be Islamic Extremism and IS sympathies.
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Well considering one was in the US where mass shooting occur regularly and the other wasn't. So no, I'm not.
 
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For those calling for banning Islam. How about all the people associated with acts of violence and murder that are not religion related?

Here is a list of things you would need to ban due to associated issues by your logic.

1) ban everyone from everything.
 
thedoc46 said:
Fascism & racism was once upon a time widely accepted. It was the norm for many a country. Turns out it just bought the worst out in people, so everyone got together and fought against it. While it does exist today, its only in minor circles.

I think the world is starting to realise that Islam while under the guise of the religion of peace is far far far from peaceful. Therefore it shouldn't be allowed in society. For the way it treats its women, for the way it treats its own. For christ sake, if you're a Muslim you're supposed to be starving yourself and following a set of almost barbaric rules just cos a bunch of man made rules. But oh no its a religion so everyone keep telling each other its all ok, its just the few. Remember this and many other religions were just created to control the masses. We need to come up with a way to un-brainwashing all this nonsense that's been pumped into their brains. They're only taught to hate. They're not born to hate. How are they being taught to hate? Thru their religion. Nothing else.. .These are not psychopaths. They've just been led down the wrong path. I don't know why they see the romance in the killing, why they think they're doing it for the good of their god? Clearly they're brainwashed. Its needs to be dismantled broken down, proved a big lie, and hopefully it will allow humanity to live in better harmony.
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If only it was possible for people to take a few steps back, carefully and rationally analyse their argument and bask in the glory of its stupidity..

Let's assume that a tourist was recently mauled by a bear. It's not the first time such an attack occurs, in fact it happens regularly. Your solution is the extinction of species, at least locally. You don't bother with trying to find the reasons why the attacks happen or that they are done by a few individuals rather than the whole bear population. Just wipe them all out, problem solved.

What you propose is immoral, irrational and impossible to implement. Oh and it's an old idea which has been attempted before with catastrophic consequences.
 
Im not in the ban religion crowd but i would like to see the state backing away from it/stop giving it credence.



Ie no tax exempt status, no seats in the house of lords for bishops, no requirement for christian worhsip in schools
 
Zethor said:
If only it was possible for people to take a few steps back, carefully and rationally analyse their argument and bask in the glory of its stupidity..

Let's assume that a tourist was recently mauled by a bear. It's not the first time such an attack occurs, in fact it happens regularly. Your solution is the extinction of species, at least locally. You don't bother with trying to find the reasons why the attacks happen or that they are done by a few individuals rather than the whole bear population. Just wipe them all out, problem solved.

What you propose is immoral, irrational and impossible to implement. Oh and it's an old idea which has been attempted before with catastrophic consequences.
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I dunno i kinda like not having to worry about wolf attacks.


Wiling them out in the uk seems to have worked fairly well in the long tun.
 
asim18 said:
Hahahaha. This is about the most disastrous idea I've ever read in my whole ****ing life when it comes to our utterly futile attempts at sorting out the global terrorism issue. :D

You seriously think shutting down mosques is going to stop us getting attacked by terrorists? How brilliantly insightful, someone award this man the Nobel Peace Prize.

Not only that but you think the "alternative" to not shutting down mosques is "get attacked on a monthly basis."

I've literally been sitting here laughing for 5 minutes and I may continue for a further 10-15 minutes.

Firstly, not all terrorist attacks are conspired, many aren't.
Secondly, the fact that a mosque is unavailable as a mutually chosen location for the purposes of conspiring to commit terror attacks is absolutely 100% unrelated to anything whatsoever. You seem to have absolutely zero understanding of cause and effect. Like a couple of terrorists planning devastation are going to be stopped dead in their tracks because the mosque is closed. :D If anything that's going to ****ing fuel them!!!

Not only is it pure retardation, it's shooting OURSELVES in the foot by creating a brand new antagonist into the mix. 99% of people who have been attending mosques all their lives with absolutely no intention, reason nor mental inclination to blow someone to smithereens a brand new reason to blow someone to smithereens.

Here we have millions of people, who congregate. Due to the very nature of religion these people are under a form of psychosis. This distance from reality, paired with the fact that their choice of sociality could be a cause of, or causing, deeper psychological impediments means it's an absolutely 100% terrible idea to shut down mosques. If that happens we WILL without a doubt be bombarded with at least 10 times more terrorist attacks.

How many people across the globe go inside a mosque, pray, then walk straight out without resorting to planning a terrorist attack? If the relative proportionality of people going to mosques to plan terrorist attacks was anything over 0.0001% there would be bombs going off every ****ing minute of every ****ing day. You clearly have no idea how many non terroristically inclined individuals go to mosques, but yeah lets shut down their well known and easily infiltrateable congregation grounds and create a brand new army of terroristically inclined underground groups.

You should become a politician.
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Quite.

As I've already mentioned some posts back, many of our British defectors were not even devout Muslims, attending a mosque 5 times a day. Neither were they really "radicalised" by all this hate preach they are apparently being fed.

What they all had in common, in some form or another, was being disillusioned with living here; they lacked optimistic futures; they were social degenerates and they were generally quite dim. I'd wager that half our white chav population would fledge to another country just so they could be a part of something bigger and belong if they could... Army infantry anyone? ;)

Muslims don't need a mosque to go and meet like minded disaffected people. They have the best tool in the free world for freedom of speech: the Internet. We can all meet up on a forum and discuss our most extreme views there. We don't even need to have extreme views, we can pick up on other's views, align with them and support them. That support could be just verbally, it could be monetary or even physically.
 
SlyReaper said:
My Facebook feed is full of people rushing to disassociate the gunman from Islam. Seems to happen every time a muslim does something awful - "oh, he wasn't a true muslim, no true muslim would be violent". It's doing my head in. When the perpetrator basically does everything short of yelling "I'm about to murder you because Islam", why do all the apologists come crawling out of the woodwork?
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They are not Apologists though, they are saying what they truly believe.
I work with two Muslims and to them ISIS are parasites who are not following true Islam. This is not apologising.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36524094

The attack on a policeman and his partner by a man claiming allegiance to so-called Islamic State is a "terrorist act", France's interior minister says.

The man stabbed the officer to death and took a woman and child hostage in their home in Magnanville, near Paris, before being killed by police.

The partner was found dead but the child was rescued.
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No guns used this time. Terrorists will always find a way.
 
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