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People seem to be using whatever symantics they can find to claim that ISIS aren't really muslims.

Doesn't matter if huge proportions of westernised muslims are much more moderate, it's clear that if following the texts to the letter Islam is simply barbaric.

Im sure ISIS and many stricter muslim countries would look at muslims in the UK and decry many of them as "not true/our Islam!" or "not real muslims!".
 
Were there security staff on the door? If you can't take the guns away you at least need to keep the inside of any venue gun free. Perhaps if the door security staff had remote pendants to raise the alarm, maybe linked to a secondary internal auto locking door. It may sound extreme but we have inner locked doors to segregate the pilot on planes.



For God's sake, how much would all that stuff cost businesses? You have France supposedly in lock down, yet Russian football supporters walk into a major stadium carrying flares. They could just as well been sticks of gelignite, pipe bombs or tubes of anthrax.


OK, the security staff are probably quite understandably concentrating more on people of Arabic and Asian appearance, but it's obviously ridiculously easy for these security measures to be beaten.
 
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re the shooter. Even if it turns out he wasn't gay, the media should portray him as gay. And for any other terrorists who support their allegiance to Isis, after their crime / demise, should be reported with things such as during the search of their apartment, they found gay magazines, bacon and whatever else is really forbidden.

Then they may re-think their will to be martyrs then ! Gotta change their way of thinking, not ours. By whatever means necessary.
 
re the shooter. Even if it turns out he wasn't gay, the media should portray him as gay.

The media shouldn't really be portraying him at all, it serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

It just ultimately creates a platform with a huge spotlight to get under, if you're feeling inclined to give up on life and have head full of faeces.
 
For God's sake, how much would all that stuff cost businesses? You have France supposedly in lock down, yet Russian football supporters walk into a major stadium carrying flares. They could just as well been sticks of gelignite, pipe bombs or tubes of anthrax.


OK, the security staff are probably quite understandably concentrating more on people of Arabic and Asian appearance, but it's obviously ridiculously easy for these security measures to be beaten.

The only other alternative is to completely disarm American citizens perhaps with the exception of pistols. Yes it would cost businesses money but so did the changes within the airline industry for measures taken with planes. There's not a perfect answer, it's going to take a number of different actions being taken that together make it a lot harder for these acts to happen. Part of the cost for a civilised society which needs to encompass more than just a purely capitalist agenda.
 
People seem to be using whatever symantics they can find to claim that ISIS aren't really muslims.

Doesn't matter if huge proportions of westernised muslims are much more moderate, it's clear that if following the texts to the letter Islam is simply barbaric.

Im sure ISIS and many stricter muslim countries would look at muslims in the UK and decry many of them as "not true/our Islam!" or "not real muslims!".

So what if they are Muslims? What exactly is your point? What do you propose?
 
Completely disarming a place the size of the USA?? Not even remotely viable. They took hand guns off licensed gun owners here in the UK, much to their chagrin. There was a dramatic change in gun crime using hand guns afterwards. It went up!

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There was a dramatic change in gun crime using hand guns afterwards. It went up!

Lol, of course it did! If you implement increased restrictions on something that didn't have them before of course you're going to see an increase in associated crime.
 
re the shooter. Even if it turns out he wasn't gay, the media should portray him as gay. And for any other terrorists who support their allegiance to Isis, after their crime / demise, should be reported with things such as during the search of their apartment, they found gay magazines, bacon and whatever else is really forbidden.

Then they may re-think their will to be martyrs then ! Gotta change their way of thinking, not ours. By whatever means necessary.

Sure, yes, make him gay, that'll stop ISIS.
 
Completely disarming a place the size of the USA?? Not even remotely viable. They took hand guns off licensed gun owners here in the UK, much to their chagrin. There was a dramatic change in gun crime using hand guns afterwards. It went up!

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That graph shows homicide rates, not gun homicide rates.
 
Completely disarming a place the size of the USA?? Not even remotely viable. They took hand guns off licensed gun owners here in the UK, much to their chagrin. There was a dramatic change in gun crime using hand guns afterwards. It went up!

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the numbers are still miniscule though because we dont have a gun culture among the wider popualtion..there will be more people wounded or killed in a large american city by guns than in the entire uk in a year
 
re the shooter. Even if it turns out he wasn't gay, the media should portray him as gay. And for any other terrorists who support their allegiance to Isis, after their crime / demise, should be reported with things such as during the search of their apartment, they found gay magazines, bacon and whatever else is really forbidden.

Then they may re-think their will to be martyrs then ! Gotta change their way of thinking, not ours. By whatever means necessary.


I would use the word patsy rather than martyr. Intersting discussion here, take it with a pinch of salt if you must.

 
Completely disarming a place the size of the USA?? Not even remotely viable. They took hand guns off licensed gun owners here in the UK, much to their chagrin. There was a dramatic change in gun crime using hand guns afterwards. It went up!

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Just dont be stupid to do it all at once.


Say first, repeal the grandfathering clauses for automatic wepaons so they have to be turned in. Most of the public would support that ine.

Then over the next few decades slowly increase barrel/total length requirements, to start to remive short shotguns and carbines.


Continute to do that while starting to reduce the maximum alowed magazine sizes making it a criminal offence to posses one over the limit.

Again easy to sell to the public "why do they need short arms and big magazines for target shooting/hunting??"

This also means magazine posession which many would keep would get them a conviction and remove thier right tonown fire arms further limiting the number especialy amongst die hards (also lets you go "most opposition to new gun laws comming from criminals)

Then you can eother start going after mechanism, ie must be bolt or straight lull for rifles not semi auto.


Or you can start rasing the cost of fire arm ownership.

On registration forearm must be metalurigcally tested for later isentification at owners cost (and again at any new barrel purchase)

Forearms license aplication fres go up along with increasing the frequency of renewals.


And then after a few decades. You basicaly only have rich/upper middle class types owning long shotguns and hunting rifles.

Every step is reasonable sonits hsrd to gain momentum against it without looking bad
 
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Now that it appears he was also gay or at least had interests in homosexual spots and hookups at the very least, it'll be interesting to see how the right wing contingent on this forum will respond. Will they double down on the Muslim rhetoric or add in the homophobic commentary as well?

I think scoping out the venue/testing the waters for luring in people through alps for attacks like the russian gangs are doing is more likley than he was gay.

Id expect anyone planning a terror attack against gays to have scoped out gay apps and locations
 
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