GTX 980 to GTX 1070 - Disappointed.

[Toshh]

Hi there,
I have had my GTX 980 OC for about 4 months now and was pleased with it as it delivered pretty astonishing results for its price, although I recently made a purchase on a 144Hz monitor and obviously the 980 cannot be expected to get stable 144fps on most of the and GTA 5 was roughly getting a stable 110 with casual drops to 95 but also highs of around 130FPS. With the new upcoming titles i thought it might be worth an upgrade and decided to pick up the GTX 1070 FE card, knowing the card performed better than the 980Ti i thought it would be a great improvement over the 980 and would easily put me in to close 140fps stable on GTA and other games.

This did not occur and I have actually found the card to usually be performing worse than the 980....

First of all GTA 5 is very unstable FPS wise, in some circumstances it drops lower than the 980 did as Ive seen numbers of 86 regularly, although spikes to 140's and 150's every so often too, the gap between the lows and the highs is monstrous compared to the 980.

The next game which I play a lot of is CS:GO and I only play the game at 720P due to my preference, and without changing any of the settings I degraded from getting a stable 350+FPS on the 980, to now getting roughly 230FPS stable with spikes up to 580FPS and drops to as low as 170FPS and stutters quite often. Which makes the game a lot harder to play especially at a higher competition level.

Now my question is whether there's something wrong with my 1070, or maybe it could be down to things such as early Nvidia drivers which have not optimized the games properly yet? Because I have also noticed that on the same CSGO map, I am getting higher FPS on CT side model, rather than the T side model, I dont have a clue why that would affect the performance although it does by around 100FPS.

Either way I'm greatly disappointed right now as the card was being hyped up so much being faster than the 980Ti and the Titan X, and I'm really not seeing that as of yet as my 980 in my eyes performed much better and costs half the price of the 1070....

Any tips on what to do and your views would be appreciated, by the way the 1070 was bought 2 days ago.

Thanks!

 

[Jono8]

Sounds like you have an issue. It should be noticeably faster, unless you had your 980 at silly clocks? Even then it should still be a decent bit quicker and certainly not slower.

 

[glenimp617]

Drivers?

 

[old gamer]

Did you use ddu to clear out the old drivers, also I don't know what cpu you have so could be a bottleneck especially at 720p

 

[Toshh]

The 980 was a standard reference design MSI OC, and never fiddled with any of the clocks, always run everything on standard clocks from the factory.
AS to the drivers, its running the latest 368.39 drivers, by the way i already used the gpu drivers uninstaller to get rid of all previous drivers and installed fresh, which showed one improvement as the card used to run roughly 42 degrees idle now runs around 33 idle, although performance did not improve. Thanks!

 

[Toshh]

Did you use ddu to clear out the old drivers, also I don't know what cpu you have so could be a bottleneck especially at 720p

I did use the DDU yes, and I'm running the i7 5930K stocks speed as of yet and 32GB of Corsair Dominator ram using XMP profile 1 @ 2400Mhz

Thanks!

 

[Jono8]

The 980 was a standard reference design MSI OC, and never fiddled with any of the clocks, always run everything on standard clocks from the factory.

Should be loads quicker then! As suggested maybe try getting rid of drivers and reinstalling

 

[Toshh]

Should be loads quicker then! As suggested maybe try getting rid of drivers and reinstalling

Already did that, used the DDU and installed fresh, only thing i noticed was a drop in idle temp by about 10 degrees. The performance has not improved though.

 

[five8five]

It should be good chunk faster than a reference clocked 980.

Are temperatures okay?

Can you try the card in another PC?

Maybe time to do a fresh install of the OS.

 

[Toshh]

It should be good chunk faster than a reference clocked 980.

Are temperatures okay?

Can you try the card in another PC?

Maybe time to do a fresh install of the OS.

Yeah it should right?! haha

The Temps are ok from what I'm seeing, the card idles around 32-34 Degrees and jumps to about 55 degrees on CS:GO and around 75 Degrees on GTA 5.

To be fair I had troubles even getting the card to boot up when I first got it and had to mess about with with different pcie slots and display ports until it finally booted up on DVI. Then swapped back to top PCIE and DP and worked fine. I could try swapping back to second PCIE just to check, would that require me me to reinstall drivers or simply remove the card and place in second slot?

I was thinking of fresh install of OS actually too but was waiting for my new Hard Drives to come which should be here tomorrow.

Thanks!

 

[Freddy1765]

My guess is you're simply being hyper-vigilant. It's certainly a lot more likely than the card malfunctioning.
The only way to tell if the card performs worse than the 980 is to benchmark or track fps over longer gameplay sessions and compare; you can't rely on your own "experience".

Edit: I assume you've already made sure it isn't due to any kind of throttling. Are you monitoring clocks over time with GPU-z?

 

[pandem0nium]

I'd monitor the temps and clock speed, it may be throttling due to heat.

 

[Seanspeed]

I'm running the i7 5930K stocks speed

Well this might potentially explain your GTA issues. You've got a lot more GPU power, so higher highs, but if you're still running into CPU bottlenecks here and there, it's going to drop down significantly at times, whereas before, the drops would have been smaller when un-CPU-bound.

Stock speeds on a 5930k are not great for gaming and I'm sure my [email protected] is probably outperforming your CPU in many cases.

But if you're having the same problem in Counterstrike at 720p, it sounds like something else is up.

I'd recommend trying a couple more games to see if any specific pattern emerges.

 

[Tute]

Did you use ddu to clear out the old drivers, also I don't know what cpu you have so could be a bottleneck especially at 720p

I don't know if it's true but I was once told that thanks to nVidia's "unified" driver model it's fine to just take one card out and drop the other in, and the drivers should just automatically sort themselves out without issue.

 

[Legend]

1070 is definitely a superior card than the 980 so certainly something amiss here and what you're experiencing should not be happening.

I personally would never just drop another card in without reinstalling drivers, no matter what anyone says.

 

[Toshh]

My guess is you're simply being hyper-vigilant. It's certainly a lot more likely than the card malfunctioning.
The only way to tell if the card performs worse than the 980 is to benchmark or track fps over longer gameplay sessions and compare; you can't rely on your own "experience".

Edit: I assume you've already made sure it isn't due to any kind of throttling. Are you monitoring clocks over time with GPU-z?

Well I guess I could have just been expecting too much, but as stated there's no need for benchmarks to notice the game start to stutter, which is what I'm currently getting on CS GO which I didn't get EVER beforehand.

I realize my my experience and FPS track may be short, but a noticeable difference should be noticed if paying double of what the 980 is worth.

Thanks

 

[Toshh]

I'd monitor the temps and clock speed, it may be throttling due to heat.

I will get on that asap and provide the results, thanks!

 

[spiralz]

I don't know if it's true but I was once told that thanks to nVidia's "unified" driver model it's fine to just take one card out and drop the other in, and the drivers should just automatically sort themselves out without issue.

I thought that but they didn't when I put my 1080 in

I got unknown card message in 3D mark until I reinstalled drivers

 

[Toshh]

1070 is definitely a superior card than the 980 so certainly something amiss here and what you're experiencing should not be happening.

I personally would never just drop another card in without reinstalling drivers, no matter what anyone says.

I did not don't worry, first thing I did was get rid of all old drivers and installed fresh

Thanks!

 

[Toshh]

Well this might potentially explain your GTA issues. You've got a lot more GPU power, so higher highs, but if you're still running into CPU bottlenecks here and there, it's going to drop down significantly at times, whereas before, the drops would have been smaller when un-CPU-bound.

Stock speeds on a 5930k are not great for gaming and I'm sure my [email protected] is probably outperforming your CPU in many cases.

But if you're having the same problem in Counterstrike at 720p, it sounds like something else is up.

I'd recommend trying a couple more games to see if any specific pattern emerges.

Well I checked up on the figures before and overclock on my CPU does not actually improve the scores of graphical benchmarks that much whatsoever so have not bothered with OC in the past. I do now that people have ran stock 5930K's with 2x 980Ti and were getting no bottlenecks as read up on that before too to ensure that I would not experience the same issues.

And yes thats what I mean, the CPU would definitely not be the problem in CS especially at 720P as its a game that should be ran on a calculator and still work fine ^^.

I will try some other games later to see if the same problems occur.

Thanks