Brexit thread - what happens next

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Quick question. Has a PM ever left and taken up a cabinet position or do they always go to the backbenches for the rest of their commons career?
 
B&W said:
What can we offer them in return?
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In return for what? Free movement? We'd have to compromise somewhere on single market access I'd presume....

Germany and several others are keen to do a deal, obviously Boris is too. So you negotiate and reach a compromise - we can't have full access under the EEA without also accepting free movement so we'll presumably have to push for some hybrid solution and not have full single market access
 
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To derail the thread for a second - as distasteful as this might be, I found it hilarious

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B&W said:
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A growing market for their products? EU exports to the UK have grown at a annualised pace of 2.5% since 2008.

If we reverse the situation, UK exports to the EU have declined at a pace of -0.7% since 2008.

What can the EU offer us?
 
Caged said:
Boris will do whatever is needed to ensure London stays as a financial hub and deal with spinning it to the electorate later. I can't see any outcome from this where Leave get what they wanted (actually leaving).
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vote leave consists of several million people

sure the people from Barnsley interviewed by channel 4 news won't likely be happy as dem muslims won't magically vanish

but for plenty of other people they weren't sure which side to vote for or were able to see good arguments on both sides - some sort of compromise could actually put to rest some of the fears of the remain voters and still satisfy leave voters... you're not going to please everyone but the idea that leave voters are all xenophobic idiots is rather misplaced
 
dowie said:
it isn't fact, negotiations haven't even started - and since you seem to have ignored the point again I'm saying that we could quite well get some partial free market deal... not necessarily complete access ergo they could make some concessions on free movement

completely flawed to state that if it could exist Cameron would already have got it - bit of a difference between allowing it for an EU member with full free market access and a seat at the table vs a country that isn't an EU member, doesn't have full access and doesn't have a seat at the table
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It is fact. Swizterland tried to change the terms of free movement with a referendum and failed. The EU will not concede free movement in a free access to single market deal for a European country (note geographic not political EU country). you can keep kidding yourself that they will, but they will not.

The problem the UK has is that everyone still thinks we have the same clout we did when we were effectively ruling the world. Unfortunately we don't and the EU will never back down on what is one of its founding principles. Germany can say what ever it likes, but under their current membership terms they can't even let us in.

if the UK wants full access to the single market they already know what the price is and that price is not about to change, not for us or for anyone that comes after us.
 
Rosbif said:
A growing market for their products? EU exports to the UK have grown at a annualised pace of 2.5% since 2008.

If we reverse the situation, UK exports to the EU have declined at a pace of -0.7% since 2008.

What can the EU offer us?
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What does that look like when you take into account Scotland leaving the UK (with a strong possibility of NI also then accelerating a move to union with Eire given their vote on the EU membership as well)?
 
Right. **** this. We're ALL up **** creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all ****** off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just **** off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, ****!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to ******* Gibraltar. OK?

Politicians.

David. **** off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

George. You may be a **** but you're our ****. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-*** routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the **** her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the **** out of 'em.

Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we ****** love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. **** it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that **** coming. We definitely need more of that good ****!

Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

And on that note :D :D

Good night I have a week of graft ahead of me tomorrow at 7. :D
 
Fuzz said:
Right. **** this. We're ALL up **** creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all ****** off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just **** off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, ****!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to ******* Gibraltar. OK?

Politicians.

David. **** off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

George. You may be a **** but you're our ****. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-*** routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the **** her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the **** out of 'em.

Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we ****** love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. **** it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that **** coming. We definitely need more of that good ****!

Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

And on that note :D :D

Good night I have a week of graft ahead of me tomorrow at 7. :D
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Genuine lol... :D
 
dowie said:
vote leave consists of several million people

sure the people from Barnsley interviewed by channel 4 news won't likely be happy as dem muslims won't magically vanish

but for plenty of other people they weren't sure which side to vote for or were able to see good arguments on both sides - some sort of compromise could actually put to rest some of the fears of the remain voters and still satisfy leave voters... you're not going to please everyone but the idea that leave voters are all xenophobic idiots is rather misplaced
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I never said they were xenophobic idiots, but the option they voted for on the ballot paper was to leave the EU, on the back of a campaign fronted by Boris. If Boris doesn't take us out of the EU then leave didn't get what they wanted, by virtue of us not leaving.
 
Macro said:
What does that look like when you take into account Scotland leaving the UK (with a strong possibility of NI also then accelerating a move to union with Eire given their vote on the EU membership as well)?
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I have no idea. It probably makes the export figures look even more grim and pathetic as I'd hazard a guess that at least SOME petroleum products from Scotland go to the EU.

All that oil will be Scotlands after years of derm Engerlish be takin' aw oils, so won't be part of the UK trade figures.

What exactly is this magnificent trading block got to offer the UK? Its expanded to 28 states and trade to the EU is declining. Its a pony outfit.
 
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