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wildman said:
It is fact. Swizterland tried to change the terms of free movement with a referendum and failed. The EU will not concede free movement in a free access to single market deal for a European country (note geographic not political EU country). you can keep kidding yourself that they will, but they will not.

The problem the UK has is that everyone still thinks we have the same clout we did when we were effectively ruling the world. Unfortunately we don't and the EU will never back down on what is one of its founding principles. Germany can say what ever it likes, but under their current membership terms they can't even let us in.

if the UK wants full access to the single market they already know what the price is and that price is not about to change, not for us or for anyone that comes after us.
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it isn't fact at all...and again even after having it pointed out to you my post was based on a compromise not full access - you ignore that and instead talk about full access again

full access involves free movement of people! I'm talking about a hybrid arrangement - that shouldn't be hard to understand and I've been fairly clear yet you've quoted me again and started talking about full access and the EU's founding principles
 
Caged said:
I never said they were xenophobic idiots, but the option they voted for on the ballot paper was to leave the EU, on the back of a campaign fronted by Boris. If Boris doesn't take us out of the EU then leave didn't get what they wanted, by virtue of us not leaving.
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He is going to take us out of the EU, that has been made pretty clear - at least that is his intention. However we're likely to still retain close links to the EU and what aspects of market access/free movement we end up negotiating is yet to be seen.
 
Fuzz said:
Right. **** this. We're ALL up **** creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all ****** off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just **** off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, ****!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to ******* Gibraltar. OK?

Politicians.

David. **** off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

George. You may be a **** but you're our ****. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-*** routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the **** her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the **** out of 'em.

Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we ****** love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. **** it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that **** coming. We definitely need more of that good ****!

Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

And on that note :D :D

Good night I have a week of graft ahead of me tomorrow at 7. :D
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Brilliant!! :D
 
dowie said:
He is going to take us out of the EU, that has been made pretty clear - at least that is his intention. However we're likely to still retain close links to the EU and what aspects of market access/free movement we end up negotiating is yet to be seen.
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So really the only claim Boris is going to be able to fulfil to voters is that we are no longer part of an organisation called the European Union, and the rest depends on how the guys in Brussels feel when negotiating.

I can't see this ending any other way than the usual suspects in the press talking about betrayal, becoming the official Farage mouthpiece and all the idiocy that comes with it.
 
dowie said:
it isn't fact at all...and again even after having it pointed out to you my post was based on a compromise not full access - you ignore that and instead talk about full access again

full access involves free movement of people! I'm talking about a hybrid arrangement - that shouldn't be hard to understand and I've been fairly clear yet you've quoted me again and started talking about full access and the EU's founding principles
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you won't get partial access either, the only partial access we can get is to the EEA/EFTA members i.e Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Switzerland who can hammer out their own deals. The other EU countries have their trade agreements settled en bloc i.e the single market. Which was one of the whole taking back control things that Borris et al kept on trying to spout off. So if we want to deal with them we have to deal with the EU, and as I said before you already know what that means.

This unicorn land where we get to cherry pick some partial access deal without having the burden of free movement is a complete fantasy. Yeah we can rock up to the table and ask for it, but the answer will always be no. If we want to deal with Europe we know how it is going to pan out.
 
dowie said:
good post but you should really use quotations when you're copying and pasting something you didn't write yourself
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Shush you. :D


Anyway... how about this.
I thought it was going to be another fake ass petition and nearly scrolled on by but wait.. they have something right there..
Free to go work in Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring that **** right here!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/124596
 
Thought I'd join the site after looking at discussions regarding whats going on, btw yes I did vote out for many reasons such as the nut jobs such as Juncker President of the European Commission the fraud. If you know about his past he was force out lux as pm, he blames MI6 foe this, I think he holds a personal grudge against the UK . This is why he was quick to say the UK needs to get out now during Fridays press conference, throwing his toys out. He should be forced out of any important roles in the EU and I think some MEps and member states are starting to think he isn't the right man and should resign his position, the other way would be to sack the whole commission to get him out.

Juncker wants an EU army and is forcing it to go ahead, which causes a problem for NATO the US and UK. Anyway I feel that other EU nations will either ask for him to leave or start an exit from the EU.

Coming to Britain, Scotland would be refused into the EU by the EU, so there's no worry there, what N Ireland and Scotland are doing is to try and get as much out of the UK while its in political transition.

When it becomes serious, you have to lie.
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Jono8 said:
This is astonishing

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I would be amazed if that were true. The bit about not telling anyone it was being studied and planned for is probably accurate, but they will want to go to the table knowing the likely outcomes of their decisions against a government that didn't think it would happen and is on the back foot in negotiations.
 
dowie said:
it isn't fact at all...and again even after having it pointed out to you my post was based on a compromise not full access - you ignore that and instead talk about full access again

full access involves free movement of people! I'm talking about a hybrid arrangement - that shouldn't be hard to understand and I've been fairly clear yet you've quoted me again and started talking about full access and the EU's founding principles
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There will be no 'hybrid arrangement'.

You think that we will have trade for most goods and services but not movement of labour.

Movement of labour is one of the core founding principles of the EU. It would rather have no trade with the UK if did not have free movement of labour.

You are living in a world where pigs fly if you think otherwise.
 
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