As someone mentioned in a thread here or one of the other ones - Londoners knew what a Boris pledge was worth.
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As someone mentioned in a thread here or one of the other ones - Londoners knew what a Boris pledge was worth.
I think you'll find this is only the beginning of the backlash campaign. If you think it's just Remainers crying now, wait until the penny drops for those Leavers realising they were duped, or realising their protest vote has brought about the exact opposite of what they thought it would.
If "let's move on" means holding hands and jumping over a cliff with you, forgive me if I politely decline. So unless Leavers plans to drag us all over the cliff with them somehow, expect stiff opposition right up until the point of no return (and probably beyond). That's how democracy works .... things change. And sometimes they change back too.
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Isn't this done already? Cons largest party but no majority. The rest pretty much breakdown as before -- another happy gridlock.
The other problem, and why most who voted leave will end up angry and short changed by this is that the leave campaign couldn't actually promise you anything at all. Nada, nothing. They were not a political party and few if any of the campaigners had or will have any authority to implement any of it. I think many thought they were voting for the people running the campaign and thought that those who were would have the authority to carry out their promises...sorry, "suggestions".
like I've already said we can wait and see, you don't agree with me but stating I don't understand is rather arrogant - I'll be happy to revisit in a few months
what is arrogant is thinking that UK can walk up to the EU and effectively ask them to forget about their founding principles purely because we are the UK and give us all the good stuff like free trade without having to accept things like free movement.
in a few months we will still be no further becuase Boris et al still won't have a plan. Then by the time we get to next year we would have some how been slid into the EEA and Boris wll be saying that he go the brexiteers a marvellous deal.
Then we can all go down the boozer and drink ale and laugh at the previous years antics.
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Just try it and riots I tell you. And for our case rightfully so. Not salty tears of not liking a result that didn't go your way.
Germany is a bit screwed because they are in a currency union, so I can imagine them being an (unlikely if you buy into the "we fought wars against them" rhetoric) ally, France might not care either way, but they will be telling the net-recipients of EU funding to shut up.
I still think they will push for a move of the banking sector to Frankfurt and leave it to us to negotiate it back in our favour. We need to make sure some very good people do the talking.
Not recently. Young have been berated though.
Woopdedo. If you believe something enough you don't just say "o well" and move onto the next topic.
The saddest thing I've found from this is the amount of people mentioning salty tears, crybabies, racists, idiots and so on.
If you truely believe you're right fight for it don't just insult.
Winning the vote is barely the start of things.
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Is "salty tears" some sort of bingo call? Nobody in this thread is crying about the referendum result any more, it's all discussion about the future.
This may well end up in riots whichever way it goes so...
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I remember the week before the referendum people were moaning how bad it is here, how leaving would be a magical cure for all our troubles. I wondered had any of them been to a third world country.
Just been reading my posts before the referendum and some of them pretty bang on (sorry if I sound arrogant).
There's already immigrants being beaten up in the streets and abused in their homes. How soon before it spreads to anyone who wants to vocally oppose leaving? If threats of violence are the best Leavers have to offer, then it is indeed a cliff you're dragging everyone over.
to be fair to Boris (his obvious ambition aside) he was always a bit 50/50 on the EU - very critical of some aspects of it for years as a journalist but then again also keen to support reform of it, getting the agreements Cameron set out to get and even supportive of Turkey joining - he's stated he eventually backed leave partly as a result of the failure to get concessions and that is probably partially true (as well as being a bit of a gamble for the leadership) but even in his statement he was hardly an anti-EU UKIP type...
so in fact if he does get some sort of compromise deal (assuming he is the next leader) and does portray himself as a bit of a unity leader trying to acknowledge and allay the fears of the remain voters it isn't necessarily dishonest as he was always a bit 50/50 on the EU to begin with
obviously it does all fit rather nicely with his personal ambitions too
What I find absolutely amazing about the remain camp is that there is absolutely zero acknowledgement or any hint of a reconciliatory tone towards those who voted for Leave. Absolutely zero acknowledgement, or care for that matter, of what their concerns were and still are. Zero attempt bridge that gap or understand or even find a compromise. Just a continuation of dooms day scenario and old mother hen 'Youll see!' , 'Mother know best' smug attitude.
None of that will put the genie back into the lamp that has been unleashed across the country outside of the major urban centres though. And if that is going to be resolved with actual - for want of a better word - socialist policies then it can be achieved without going through with the exiting.
People have voted because they don't want the EU telling them what to do, and they are big fans of UKIP. Boris telling them that he's got a deal with the EU that he thinks is good is not going to be enough for them. In the very least it means Farage keeps popping up like a persistent disease.
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It wasn't exactly the hardest thing to predict either.
I know I couldn't have been the first person to realise this.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29687827&postcount=7568
The bargaining power of the EU is so strong as a bloc. They know that London effectively funds the deficits across the rest of the country. Hold London to ransom and you get whatever you want.
The anti-London sentiment in these threads is also ridiculous given the amount of money that leaves London to fund the rest of the country. As previously mentioned, London effectively pays the entirety of the EU contributions.
What happened to 'I am not going to repsond further because you simply don't get the politics involved '?
Yet apparently you've got a crystal ball and are able to state exactly what won't happen. Like I said I'll be happy to revisit this in a few months but it is just going around in circles now
One could say the leave camp is not acknowledging what this has caused, the demons they have unleashed.
But your right we need to calm down and sort it out together as that is the only way.
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