What has our country become?

We have failed as a country to educate those people and give them the ability to think more carefully.

I agree.. 100% .. I still maintain that the campaign should not have been led by politicians. However, whilst the referendum was an act of democracy, realistically it's not possible for everyone to understand the important fact and the implications.

Maybe we'll think again about having any future referendums. I voted for my MP to act on my behalf on the possibility of things I don't understand. For this very reason.
 
We have failed as a country to educate those people and give them the ability to think more carefully.

I know some people on benefits, some who legitimately needing help (ex-forces) but certainly one of them is just too lazy to do anything. He said to me "why should I work 10hrs a day on minimum wage just because other people do?" - I'm guessing that by "other people" he meant non British people. Where do you go with that argument?

Irrespective of my background (which is multicultural, and actually whilst I'm British, I'm also a Johnny Foreigner) I know people of all walks of life, and interface with them regularly and I have had my own journey in life which hasn't been rosy and very, very trying.

It is interesting that this has been brewing, and I can understand the frustration of some people, but I was also very unaware of this vitriol that existed and just how vicious it was/is. Was there genuinely nothing these people could do?

My worry, is that "them foreigners" leave, and no one will want take up their low paid jobs - the people you mention, do they want to be bin men, waiters, plumbers, kitchen workers, bar workers, etc...?? If you go to a jobcentre (or even the jobcentre website) there are dozens upon dozens (hundreds!) of jobs - why aren't the angry people there and letting the "foreigners" take the jobs? Maybe I'm wrong (I'll be glad to be!). However, I just worry that if they all leave, and no one wants to take their place, what happens then?

There are plenty of jobs for people, but they don't want to take them, and instead want to blame other hard working people, grinding the hell out of themselves to make a better life for their family. They still pay their taxes and contribute to the UK Economy so I really don't get why they're so upset?

Hundreds of jobs on a website doesn't tell you there is tons of jobs to go around. There could be thousands of people applying for each job as I found when I lived in Hull for a time.

If the labour market is reversed, people will be asking themselves "why am I sitting here with a can of special brew when I can move boxes around for more money" instead of the opposite.

In what world does free movement make sense when we already have a ton of native people who are not working for various reasons? How can we continue to support hundreds of thousands of extra people every year?

I think Dave's no bennies for migrants deal is a step in the right direction as we need to make coming here less attractive, give the working class brits a chance to recover.

Those who blame 'the foreigners' for everything probably are making excuses, but that doesn't mean that uncontrolled immigration is not a problem.
 
The problem is quite complex:
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2) The result did not yield a majority. 1.9% is not a majority by any standards. But technically leave won.

Very strange, the result equates to a 3.8% majority which equals over 1,269,501 more people voting for leave than remain.
So where is the justification for another referendum, or is it just sour grapes from the remain campaign.
 
I don't blame the immigrants one bit. They are only taking advantage of jobs which British (regardless of race ) people aren't prepared or won't to do. We have more kids than ever leaving uni with degree education that think (and rightly so) that they are better, this leaves a gap in the labour market and a shortage of skills.. Brick layers for example. We don't need any immigrant policies, just fill the jobs from school leavers who aren't of a degree standard so there's not the opportunities available. We've been led to believe this idiocy that everyone should be of a degree level.
 
Very strange, the result equates to a 3.8% majority which equals over 1,269,501 more people voting for leave than remain.
So where is the justification for another referendum, or is it just sour grapes from the remain campaign.

Such a close result shouldn't be accepted regardless of the result. Remain or leave, those figures aren't clear enough to call a win.

Anyone who is happy with the figures as it stands is likely so just because they don't want it to change and aren't actually interested in fairness and the democratic process.
 
I don't blame the immigrants one bit. They are only taking advantage of jobs which British people aren't prepared or won't to do. We have more kids than ever leaving uni with degree education that think (and rightly so) that they are better, this leaves a gap in the labour market and a shortage of skills.. Brick layers for example.

So if we are low on bricklayers, incentivize training or actively look abroad through an immigration system. It doesn't have to be holding the doors open to everybody in the hopes that a bricklayer will come through.
 
Such a close result shouldn't be accepted regardless of the result. Remain or leave, those figures aren't clear enough to call a win.

Anyone who is happy with the figures as it stands is likely so just because they don't want it to change and aren't actually interested in fairness and the democratic process.

What is this logic? If we ran the referendum again and the result is 52% remain, what results do we go by? The one you favour? Should we vote again because now the leavers are upset?
 
I know some people on benefits, some who legitimately needing help (ex-forces) but certainly one of them is just too lazy to do anything. He said to me "why should I work 10hrs a day on minimum wage just because other people do?" - I'm guessing that by "other people" he meant non British people. Where do you go with that argument?

First where you go is don't guess what he means. I was banned for 2 days over an Eurovision video because of assuming, while hilarious in my case, it's not good slurring someone you know when it's not a fact.
 
I don't blame the immigrants one bit. They are only taking advantage of jobs which British (regardless of race ) people aren't prepared or won't to do. We have more kids than ever leaving uni with degree education that think (and rightly so) that they are better, this leaves a gap in the labour market and a shortage of skills.. Brick layers for example. We don't need any immigrant policies, just fill the jobs from school leavers who aren't of a degree standard so there's not the opportunities available. We've been led to believe this idiocy that everyone should be of a degree level.

Except that's not entirely true. I work for an engineering company. We recently had redundancies and I saw several very good people laid off who quite frankly shouldn't have been and everyone knows it's down to equality. Either an immigrant was chosen over them, or a female.
Put it this way, in every single case where a man and woman were the final two in a group the man went.
These aren't lazy, uneducated people. They are doctors, masters and every one of them was an engineering expert.
 
What is this logic? If we ran the referendum again and the result is 52% remain, what results do we go by? The one you favour? Should we vote again because now the leavers are upset?

Leave is a vote for change, presumably if there aren't numbers enough to show a clear decision in favour of change then there would be no change.
 
Stop thinking of it in terms of us throwing a few £BILLION at the parasites and vulture Hedge Fund and Stock Exchange Bankster Fraudsters and losing 'Call me Dave', just look at how many Financial/Constitutional/International Law/Trade Experts and indeed Market Forecasters with almost Prophet like vision we have gained in just the last three day! What a time to be alive!
 
All of the people I know that fall into the categories you have listed, voted leave.

You might not like it, but it's the truth. Not everyone that voted leave is a racist, xenophobic knuckle dragging monkey, but all the racist xenophobic knuckle dragging monkies voted leave.

I think that the reality of this has highlighted something very important for us as a country.

And on the flip side all those with Holiday homes in Spain or deluded dream integration is working fantasticly voted stay....
 
Leave is a vote for change, presumably if there aren't numbers enough to show a clear decision in favour of change then there would be no change.

Do you really think vote remain wasn't a vote for change. Surely you don't believe that the EU isnt heading towards futher unification.
 
Do you really think vote remain wasn't a vote for change. Surely you don't believe that the EU isnt heading towards futher unification.
To be honest further unification is for the best IMO, the only way the EU can work is for countries to surrender some of their fiscal policies to the EU through integration to ensure they don't burn through the funds provided by the EU. A classic example is Greece.
 
All of the people I know that fall into the categories you have listed, voted leave.

You might not like it, but it's the truth. Not everyone that voted leave is a racist, xenophobic knuckle dragging monkey, but all the racist xenophobic knuckle dragging monkies voted leave.

I think that the reality of this has highlighted something very important for us as a country.

So you're a "racist knuckle dragging monkey" if you don't want a proportionally large percentage of your home population to be foreign? Your kind of dumb logic is pathetic.

Should we highlight the fact that all the racist knuckle dragging monkeys follow football? So are all football fans the subjects of your abuse?
 
So you're a "racist knuckle dragging monkey" if you don't want a proportionally large percentage of your home population to be foreign? Your kind of dumb logic is pathetic.

Should we highlight the fact that all the racist knuckle dragging monkeys follow football? So are all football fans the subjects of your abuse?
Can you show me where I said this?
 
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