Brexit thread - what happens next

[Calabi]

I think they will stick to the referendum, they keep saying it must be respected and the public has decided even though its not much over half the country and would likely be less if everyone voted(and even less people will agree with at as time goes on).

The British tend to stick to the rules and law and proud of their principles whilst other countries sometimes flout them. We're going to go through with it and were gonna suffer like nothing else, and totally self inflicted.

The only way out will be if they find some loophole or willing scapegoat.

 

[Pho]

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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...vote-referendum-members-parliament-act-europe - interesting read. Need to get around to writing a letter to urge my MP to do so. Fortunately he's pro remain.

I'm pretty disgusted by the amount of racists we have too. Immigration is good for the gene pool!

 

[Jono8]

If the referendum was based on FPTP then leave would have had closer to 70% of the vote based on constituencies. Keep that as food for thought when you consider the general election.

Do you seriously think the results would be the same now the fallout has happened and the leave voters realise what they were actually voting for was just being part of the EFTA instead, so the only thing gained is a few less EU laws?

 

[Bickaxe]

Even if we were to join the EFTA countries and go down the EFTA-EEA route or EFTA-Bilateral-deal route, we would still be unhindered from the majority of EU laws and legislation.

Not entirely true. We still have to comply with legislation when trading with them, I think Canada are preparing for something like that in which they are subject to inspections as they are joining some letters that have an E in them. Can't remember exactly what it was though.

 

[Steedie]

Even as someone who voted leave, I'm now almost certain that we won't actually leave due to the rumblings happening within the press and the lack of conviction with a lot of the leave campaigners since.

We'll get some pretty good deals out of renegotiation as the EU has too much to lose and then a second referendum will likely happen and remain will win by a comfortable margin.

It's a shame, but it will stop a whole load of bad vibes from people who voted remain and hopefully, the leave voters (at least the informed ones), will get some comfort from the renegotiation that will happen as part of us agreeing not to leave the EU

 

[Mauller]

Not entirely true. We still have to comply with legislation when trading with them, I think Canada are preparing for something like that in which they are subject to inspections as they are joining some letters that have an E in them. Can't remember exactly what it was though.

Yeah, legislation on traded good that only 6% of UK companies have to follow. While the other 94% will be unshackled from a lot of EU bureaucracy.

 

[Akagi]

I was under the impression that the EU no longer want us as a result of this mess? Thats certainly what some in here have been saying.

 

[dl8860]

Do you seriously think the results would be the same now the fallout has happened and the leave voters realise what they were actually voting for was just being part of the EFTA instead, so the only thing gained is a few less EU laws?

Trust me, most of them have had no such realisation

 

[Mauller]

Do you seriously think the results would be the same now the fallout has happened and the leave voters realise what they were actually voting for was just being part of the EFTA instead, so the only thing gained is a few less EU laws?

Considering how spiteful and nasty the EU is being, also with it talking about making it harder for countries to leave, essentially showing its true face. I think people will still believe that Leaving was the right thing.

The EFTA is also nothing like the EU, it has also in comparison had its books signed off and checked every year without fail.

 

[platypus]

Quite.

The triple lock is already pretty indefensible.

If the economy dips after the majority of 60+ voters voted leave, pensions should be first for the chop.

Next should infrastructure investment in areas that voted leave.

Hopefully the triple lock and hs2 will be the first things to be axed.

 

[Greebo]

Even if we were to join the EFTA countries and go down the EFTA-EEA route or EFTA-Bilateral-deal route, we would still be unhindered from the majority of EU laws and legislation. Even if the above came in the short term then freedom of movement restrictions could be dealt with in the long term if not part of the deal in the near short term.

The EFTA countries have already said that they would be welcoming of the UK Rejoining the EFTA. It will also give the block greater bargaining power with the EU. And no doubt if any future countries leave the EU they would follow likewise.

And here are some major points that do not restrict us while being in the EEA compared to the EU.

What is the EEA Not?

The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies:

Common Agriculture and Fisheries Policies;
Customs Union;
Common Trade Policy;
Common Foreign and Security Policy;
Justice and Home Affairs;
Monetary Union (EMU).

Which if we joined the EEA it would fully return our sovereign waters back to us in terms of fishing rights.

Agreed. But would that make enough of the vote leave people happy? No point doing that and telling them there's still freedom of movement but look what we have pulled out of if that isnt what people voted leave in the first place for? Hence why not ask people what they want in anther referendum?

 

[Mattyjw]

I can't say i'm particularly nervous at fat forty somethings threatening to riot, we saw how well that went for them in france.

 

[Greebo]

Not entirely true. We still have to comply with legislation when trading with them, I think Canada are preparing for something like that in which they are subject to inspections as they are joining some letters that have an E in them. Can't remember exactly what it was though.

Agreed 75% of them I think from memory including all the ones the Express and Mail readers hate like bendy bananas and Kilos

 

[Mauller]

Agreed. But would that make enough of the vote leave people happy? No point doing that and telling them there's still freedom of movement but look what we have pulled out of if that isnt what people voted leave in the first place for? Hence why not ask people what they want in anther referendum?

Sovereignty and self governance was also a bigger factor shown in a more recent poll. i know that freedom of movement was a big thing and i agree that there should have been restrictions on it from the get go. But our own self governance and not being dragged into an EU superstate was also a major factor.

 

[Greebo]

Trust me, most of them have had no such realisation

Really? You pretty confident that the majority of leave voters knew that what there were voting for was the same immigration, most of the EU laws they hate but no say on any future laws and we will still be subject to them etc?

It should have been a straight EU or EEA vote with the differences laid out in simple terms.

They wouldnt be the financial turmoil there is now if it had been a vote between the two.

 

[pioneer2000]

Oh yeah I got that, that thinking is what I was challenging

The 'get over it' and other childishness here has mostly come from leave rather than remain. I wondered if he'd muddled the two up.

There wouldn't be a thread if it weren't for remainers complaining about something that was fairly voted upon.

So yes, of course it's the leavers advising them to get over it.

 

[sityeuropa]

FTSE is looking up. I think you dooms dayers were too soon to judge.

Too panicky from an expected stock drop.

 

[Gilly]

There wouldn't be a thread if it weren't for remainers complaining about something that was fairly voted upon.

So yes, of course it's the leavers advising them to get over it.

This thread wouldn't exist if there was a plan as to what happens next. That's the main premise of this second main thread on the referendum.

In that context saying get over it means nothing, there isn't anything to get over yet.

 

[platypus]

The Brexiters wont do jack if article 50 is not invoked. The most that will happen is there'll be an increase in sharing Britain First posts on Facebook.

It would also probably be the push Farage needs to win election at the 9th time of asking.

Hard to tell whats worse.

 

[Rroff]

FTSE is looking up. I think you dooms dayers were too soon to judge.

Too panicky from an expected stock drop.

Markets, currency, etc. has been up and down, up and down over the last few days - too much uncertainty and reacting to anything and there is the whole article 50 thing, etc. to come - way too early to say everything is ok or that it is doomed for definite.