Brexit thread - what happens next

datalol-jack · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:42

Phonesis said:
Corbyn situation: Dire. But he's right to stay firm. Be interesting to see what happens.

Brexit: Less dire than few days ago. Maybe stabilising. Maybe.

Well, we remain full members for this cycle (till 2019 at maximum, then if have no deal, we would either need to pay again and continue, walk away or agree extensions to our talks): paid subs, got the rebate and EU funds, have MEPs. But as soon as Tory leader emerges with his or her plan of attack, the reaction will be just as swift, pending any deal.

platypus · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:43

do_ron_ron said:
No a Dulwich whelp. Same background. Public school, City, Politics. Just like your average Joe, right?

This is what I don't understand most about Farage. He's a complete elitist, part of the system, bigot. Yet people like him.

How has he pulled the wool over so many eyes, the same eyes that view the likes of Cameron as part of the evil establishment that must be beaten?

do_ron_ron · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:43

Werewolf said:
And those that gave it some thought before hand pretty much knew that something like that would be the case.

IIRC all the non EU countries with free trade to the EU have to accept those conditions and more.
The exceptions from memory are a state that is basically smaller my my town (and whose entire population could fit into many football stadiums, with space to spare), and Canada which is on a completely different continent.

Heard on the TV, from DC I think, today that the Canadians have yet to complete their trade treaty with the EU so we don't know as yet what it would entail and as such cannot be used as a comparator.

do_ron_ron · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:45

datalol-jack said:
That comment is silly to begin with. Westminster has barely a person with a scientific mind to rub against, and most are just straight out of the PPE factory, especially if they get anywhere near power. Lords is where we get our people with 'proper jobs'. In Europe the whole style is different.

What the same MPs retirement home?

dowie · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:45

platypus said:
This is what I don't understand most about Farage. He's a complete elitist, part of the system, bigot. Yet people like him.

It isn't really his background but what he's standing for - he's taken and maintained an anti elitist position, he's gone against the wishes of the global elite - the technocrats, the multinationals, the big banks....

datalol-jack · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:47

do_ron_ron said:
Snip

And if we go crazy on deregulation again, guess what will happen: we boom and we bust harder and better than in the EU! Indeed people who can best exploit such volatility aren't generally found on the beaches of Hartlepool looking for paracetamol tablets, grinding away on the outskirts of Brum or going to a technical college in Sunderland.

the_r_sole · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:48

Mr Jack said:
So instead of having one set of laws that manufacturers and traders have to abide by, we'll now have two sets and instead of it being trivially easy for any company that currently trades in the UK to start exporting to the EU, they'll now have two different sets of rule to keep track of.

Why is this a win exactly?

Cutting down on bloody EU red tape mate!

datalol-jack · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:48

do_ron_ron said:
What the same MPs retirement home?

Shh, you're letting the mask slip. Jobs for the boys and all that. *taps nose*

Arazi · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:50

do_ron_ron said:
Yes my investments are only down 25% instead of the 30% they were a couple of days ago. Excuse me if I don't crack open the champagne just yet.

Explains your bitter opinions against nearly everyone else's opinions in this thread.

As gamblers say, "your talking through your pocket", which results in irrational opinions.

LOAM · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:51

Mr Jack said:
So instead of having one set of laws that manufacturers and traders have to abide by, we'll now have two sets and instead of it being trivially easy for any company that currently trades in the UK to start exporting to the EU, they'll now have two different sets of rule to keep track of.

Why is this a win exactly?

^ This

Hurrah UK consumers can be shafted when our lovely government(s) scraps the Consumer Rights Act and we can all go back to minimum warranties (along with other protection laws that I will wildly speculate will be abolished), then we can have TTIP enforced on us. As I said, I think most of EU law makes sense. To be honest if the last week is anything to go by, I trust the EU parliament considerably more than our own.

do_ron_ron · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:51

platypus said:
Hmm well my MP has said he intends to vote against article 50 in the house should it go through that way, and to support staying in the EU. I wonder how many others do, and if its enough to stop it happening? Unlikely I'd have thought.

Mine will also def. do the same.

Arazi · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:51

koolpc said:
May 'not' be at a noticeably lower rate though! All this panic talk is pathetic!

Not even a week has gone by since the vote and people are all doom and gloom! UK will recover. Uk will become stronger. We dont need the EU. How many others are going to leave the EU? It is a rotten organisation. UK could not change it from within. We had to leave. Now we can start afresh. This move has shown the EU that we are not weak.

We need more people with balls like Farage to stand up and fight for this country. To make it 'Great' once more.

Imagine if people reacted like you during WWII? All doom and gloom and hiding up their own arses! Lets be strong, united and know that the UK has an awesome future ahead.

Great post

VincentHanna · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:55

Why do people always refer back to WWII.

In what universe does fighting a World War have anything to do with leaving the EU?

do_ron_ron · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:55

Mr Jack said:
So instead of having one set of laws that manufacturers and traders have to abide by, we'll now have two sets and instead of it being trivially easy for any company that currently trades in the UK to start exporting to the EU, they'll now have two different sets of rule to keep track of.

Why is this a win exactly?

Only two sets? What about all the other countries we will have to have treaties with?

It is to reduce 'red tape' though. Multiple sets instead of one.

the_r_sole · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:56

dowie said:
It isn't really his background but what he's standing for - he's taken and maintained an anti elitist position, he's gone against the wishes of the global elite - the technocrats, the multinationals, the big banks....

easy to do after you've made your millions shafting the rest of us in finance!

datalol-jack · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:56

platypus said:
This is what I don't understand most about Farage. He's a complete elitist, part of the system, bigot. Yet people like him.

How has he pulled the wool over so many eyes, the same eyes that view the likes of Cameron as part of the evil establishment that must be beaten?

He also dog-whistles nicely to white English nationalism, whose backers basically seem him as a big softie who means well but is a bit deluded, albeit can be trusted to adopt their preferred stance on social issues. It's the other side of his othering shtick he plays on the 'elites'. The sooner Carswell bonks him off, the better.

Mind, I can foresee anyone who's decent enough politically, dropping Kippers as a platform at the first sign of either Tory or Labour recovery where they are, leaving only the clowns behind. Under FPTP, of course.

dowie · 29 Jun 2016 at 14:57

the_r_sole said:
easy to do after you've made your millions shafting the rest of us in finance!

How has he shafted you?

datalol-jack · 29 Jun 2016 at 15:00

LOAM said:
^ This

Hurrah UK consumers can be shafted when our lovely government(s) scraps the Consumer Rights Act and we can all go back to minimum warranties (along with other protection laws that I will wildly speculate will be abolished), then we can have TTIP enforced on us. As I said, I think most of EU law makes sense. To be honest if the last week is anything to go by, I trust the EU parliament considerably more than our own.

You know you want a Dyson! Go on, treat yourself!

Look forward to the British Bill of Rights too and that's before we even got going nice and proper with unelected constitutional lawyers sifting through reams of smaller legislation and regulations we will inherit.

Bonjour · 29 Jun 2016 at 15:01

datalol-jack said:
Don't mention Imperial Measures!

Now there's an absolute mess.

Why can't we just adopt metric 100% and be done with it.

Phonesis · 29 Jun 2016 at 15:01

I've been watching a few US news channels and it's interesting to note that many US economists, ex diplomats, politicians etc are confident the UK will do well in the long run outside the EU. Odd how they are seemingly more positive than UK pundits.

Feels like US has more faith in UK than the UK has in its own ability to thrive as a Nation state at the moment.

I wonder if the Commonwealth will play into this too. When the UK originally joined the EU, the French moaned about it because they felt our place was with the Commonwealth. But there is no trade agreement amongst Commonwealth Nations, which is a real shame. Would be fantastic. Now that really would be a good plan of action for the next PM. To try to push for one. But could be a pipedream.