Brexit thread - what happens next

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And Canada is part of NAFTA, which consists of Canada, the US and Mexico.

They really didn't think this through, though I imagine a few 'experts' were clamouring to be heard on the subject. Regardless, I look forward to seeing the next crop of party-political manifestos next.

In that case don't die without asking for consent, or you'll be arrested, along with your family, and all sent to a "re education camp"...

I'll donate my digital footprint to the state, I'm sure.
 
But you can't sell them that much in terms of access to the EU either, which is what we like to do, essentially being (erstwhile) brokers of the bloc. That's in essence our trade strategy. Particularly worrying in terms of the EU getting the common services market sorted, and us falling behind that.

The idea is we can now go for the EFTA so to have single market access as before and then also get free trade agreements with countries outside the EU. We couldn't do that before. We will be able to now.
 
Perhaps in part because we voted in a bunch of MEPs that were actively hostile to Europe (that's if they turned up - see garages attendance history earlier in the thread))...

There is no reason we shouldnt have as large and active a voice as France and Germany, unless we just aren't very good at negotiating and diplomacy - in which case the next couple of years is going to get us a good kicking.

Pretty much. We could and did have a strong say on a number of matters, heck who opposed steel tariffs against china, well we did.

Its a joke when MEP's like Frarage and other UKIP were there representing, or rather never bothering to turn up to meetings. Here we are, Farage a member of the EU Fishing commitee to come up with rules and quota's of the 42 meetings over a three year period, he attended one meeting: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/...-‘makes-mockery’-new-election-poster-20150408 yet he was standing with the fishermen, brothers in arms up the Themes
 
no other trade block has required the political union that the EU has and they being members of those trade blocks doesn't stop them from negotiating with us... again unlike the EU. Their trade blocks don't restrict them like that, EFTA doesn't restrict countries like that... the EU does though!

And yes you can pick off one country - it wasn't NAFTA that did a deal with the EU it was Canada! And you're wrong on TTIP too - that is a deal between the US and the EU... again country to trade block not trade block to trade block.

Yes you are right it wasn't between NAFTA and the EU but America and the EU, America only being the main influential member of NAFTA like Germany is to the EU.

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a proposed trade agreement between the European Union and the United States, with the aim of promoting trade and multilateral economic growth.[1] The American government considers the TTIP a companion agreement to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).[2] The agreement is under ongoing negotiations and its main three broad areas are: market access; specific regulation; and broader rules and principles and modes of co-operation

TPP is an attempt to bring the countries of APEC into an agreement. One that is still in its infancy. These are mainly trade blocs though.
 
1-they are to lazy to fill in a visa\work permit visa.

I'm a glutton for being trolled so here goes...

Have you ever worked abroad and had to get a visa? My partner (Canadian) did to work here in the UK. It's expensive (best part of a grand every three years) and means she's completely tied to the job. If anything were to happen to her employment with the current company it would immediately be illegal for her to be here. No cooling off period, nothing.

If she wants to change jobs she has to find another employer willing to sponsor the visa, pay the fees again, and make sure the switch goes absolutely smoothly to avoid breaking the law.

People saying how easy it is to get a visa to work abroad have no idea what it's like. It's extremely precarious.
 
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Referendum date announced.

I was hoping the poster would reply. I don't think he gets why Feb was a low point yet he's claiming as if things are back to normal

I'm away on holiday so missed Uk news but still. What have we actually gained ?!? We have no plan and a bunch of leave 'icons' are very quiet now.
 
The idea is we can now go for the EFTA so to have single market access as before and then also get free trade agreements with countries outside the EU. We couldn't do that before. We will be able to now.

It's pointless if you can't harmonise the various import and export streams. A job the EU is doing now, and which would add cost to us doing it on our own for the lot of the trading that we do. There are non-tariff barriers to trade, and they're far more significant in international trade now, still look at what China put tariffs on in their Swiss deal, and how much the Swiss shuttle into the common market from China, taking a cut for themselves. The complexity alone makes me think of the mess before trade blocs were a thing.

I'm not convinced it'll be glorious. Cludgy, somewhat working, legalistic and bureaucratic, and perhaps breaking even in decades to come; but glorious/better? Nah.
 
How do you know we'll be able to?

This is the way it is now. We do not need to do anything special or negotiate anything to have this. It is the position of any country that joins the EFTA for example Norway.

It's pointless if you can't harmonise the various import and export streams. A job the EU is doing now, and which would add cost to us doing it on our own for the lot of the trading that we do. There are non-tariff barriers to trade, and they're far more significant in international trade now, still look at what China put tariffs on in their Swiss deal, and how much the Swiss shuttle into the common market from China, taking a cut for themselves. The complexity alone makes me think of the mess before trade blocs were a thing.

I'm not convinced it'll be glorious. Cludgy, somewhat working, legalistic and bureaucratic, and perhaps breaking even in decades to come; but glorious/better? Nah.

Being able to get agreements with Canada, Australia etc. Is a big benefit. We can maintain our EU related business as before with the EFTA and enhance our out of EU business significantly. We stand to be much better off from it.
 
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I'm a glutton for being trolled so here goes...

Have you ever worked abroad and had to get a visa? My partner (Canadian) did to work here in the UK. It's expensive (best part of a grand every three years) and means she's completely tied to the job. If anything were to happen to her employment with the current company it would immediately be illegal for her to be here. No cooling off period, nothing.

If she wants to change jobs she has to find another employer willing to sponsor the visa, pay the fees again, and make sure the switch goes absolutely smoothly to avoid breaking the law.

People saying how easy it is to get a visa to work abroad have no idea what it's like. It's extremely precarious.

Yep. Takes me 4 weeks and £500 every year for a Russia multi entry visa.
 

I genuinely feel pretty bad for the Scottish. They're going to get pulled under against their will. Just wish we had their will to remain. I was hoping by now there would be some kind of revolt by all the Leavers who've seen what's going on and subsequently changed their minds. Instead some are more evangelical than ever. Even amid the not-so thinly veiled / completely exposed lies.

Never mind. Although I do despair. And it's getting worst each day.
 
Sovereignty is the tender you offer as soon as you step outside your front door. And yes, it was purely a rhetorical device. For all the talk of damn the experts, they'll be increasingly running our lives for the foreseeable future. Let's hope we've still got some of those skilled migrants knocking about, and a few grey trade vets of our own.

Perhaps things are on the up then! People that actually know what they are talking about making the laws that actually take into account expert advice! Perhaps they'll work finally. :p
 

exactly... the attitude from former commonwealth nations is that trade deals could be conducted rather more efficiently... and we're hardly a small player... we're a bigger economy than most of the countries we could form deals with unilaterally

But an EU-Australia free trade agreement and a UK-Australia free trade agreement are not mutually exclusive. In fact, it is likely an agreement with the UK, once outside the EU, will be quicker and easier to negotiate, at the very least because Australia would be negotiating with one partner, rather than 28. If Britain were to leave the EU, it should go straight to the front of the queue for a free trade agreement with Australia.

Even though we loyally and reliably fought alongside the UK in two world wars and many other conflicts, Australian citizens are treated significantly less favourably than EU residents for work visas and immigration. Britain’s acquiescence to the EU freedom of movement principles means that one of the few levers left to a UK government seeking to control migration is to severely limit non-EU migration, including Australians.
 
The FTSE is nearly back to pre Brexit, even at the inflated prediction of a remain.

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The pound has been going up (slightly) as well.

I do wonder how much of that is based on the optimism that article 50 is becoming increasingly far in the future and backtracking of the leave campaign making it look like more likely that we will still be in the free market and have free movement?

Edit: awful sentence but hopefully people can understand what I'm trying to say! :p
 
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