Brexit thread - what happens next

[delta0]

Allow free movement with no benefits paid, in-work, housing or otherwise for 2-3 years.

All problems solved.

That is something attainable. It is the compromise that the EU and UK will make in order to maintain free trade.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Arguably for all three it makes more sense to become more involved in Asia than attempt some weak return to Imperial preference-lite. They'll deal with us, but a Union of Commonwealth States is indeed a pipedream, especially considering it in any shape resembling the European common market, and would take generations to build anyway; by which time the world might have shifted again, and even more outside our sphere of influence.

But I see why being a tax haven on stilts might be attractive for some.

Australia and New Zealand are already part of a Trade Bloc, APEC which

Its 21 members range account for 45% of world trade.

 

[StriderX]

That's a common British take on this, and as expats can attest it's also commonly wrong. We are far from 'same', heck even Kiwis and Aussies aren't clones in terms of their approach to issues like consumer rights, workers, markets, etc, and it doesn't remove the legal difficulty of forging trade links, staff requirements and time for those links to bear meaningful fruit.

Moreover, people also labour under the illusion that Commonwealth countries will hand us any more favourable deal that for say Vietnam, Singapore, SK or the like, merely on a good feeling. I'd wager they'll argue for fairly tit-for-tat terms, angling for advantage just as hard if not harder than the EU, knowing our difficulties in Europe. So although we might get to dictate to New Zealand, Canada and Australia would end up dictating a few uncomfortable things back, again re food, raw materials, services and other magical things.

Then you wake up one day and face several more trade deficits and more expensive shipment costs in a less regulated market. Isn't the Commonwealth wonderful?

Perhaps, but at the very least, we could do a free movement with them and i doubt people would be as annoyed as with people that actually speak English natively (ignoring Quebec'rs).

Damn it i just want ease of passage to Canada

 

[datalol-jack]

Australia and New Zealand are already part of a Trade Bloc, APEC which

Hence my comment about Asian integration earlier. They are friendly countries, but their urgency and needs will be very different from our own.

Perhaps, but at the very least, we could do a free movement with them and i doubt people would be as annoyed as with people that actually speak English natively (ignoring Quebec'rs).

Damn it i just want ease of passage to Canada

Well, yes and no. This doesn't solve the inequality from globalisation trap, it just masks it. But hey, if we get free movement to Canada, I'm on the first boat out! Mind their points system isn't that restrictive for me as it is.

 

[Amp34]

And those that gave it some thought before hand pretty much knew that something like that would be the case.

IIRC all the non EU countries with free trade to the EU have to accept those conditions and more.
The exceptions from memory are a state that is basically smaller my my town (and whose entire population could fit into many football stadiums, with space to spare), and Canada which is on a completely different continent.

I don't think Canada is part of the single market. I just has free trade for certain sectors of the economy.

There will be compromise on both sides obviously. But there is virtually nil chance of the assault compromising on one of the four central pillars, which is a problem for those wanting access to the single market but wanting to limit free movement.

 

[antijoke]

So are we all dead yet?

 

[the_r_sole]

I am right and you're just showing how massively ignorant you are of the city.

Care to explain how a broker buying and selling metals on the LME has anything to do with the financial crisis? You can't because he didn't

your argument is "OMG he's one of those city people and they're evil and therefore to blame for me losing my job'

Are people who work at shipping firms also responsible? How about Lawyers at the international law firms in the city - is it their fault too? What about the people at the technology firms? They're all somehow responsible for credit derivatives because they work in an office in the same area doing stuff you don't understand?

I see you haven't addressed the current situation caused much more directly by him at all.
I see the markets and "the city" as one and the same tbh, they are just "trading" numbers and making a small fortune whilst doing it, when they get "nervous" it stops investment and costs real people real things


but you're getting further from the point (because it suits you)

Farage won votes because he's critical of the elite, millionaire, city, public school system which form the majority of the ruling class - when he is a product of that system, if you aren't able to realise he is playing with people for his own gain then I am amazed you can tie your own shoe laces

 

[datalol-jack]

So are we all dead yet?

Brace yourselves Theresa May is coming!

 

[do_ron_ron]

Perhaps, but at the very least, we could do a free movement with them and i doubt people would be as annoyed as with people that actually speak English natively (ignoring Quebec'rs).

Damn it i just want ease of passage to Canada

Australia is part of APEC. You will have to deal with 'red tape' from this agreement rather than from the EU.

 

[Phonesis]

If only the Globe was still painted pink We need to rebuild our fleet and #takebackcontrol

Shake the Commonwealth into line. Slap the French up and remind the Germans who won both World Wars.

Men, to the battle stations! Trump is on board.

(Not serious)

 

[StriderX]

Australia is part of APEC. You will have to deal with 'red tape' from this agreement rather than from the EU.

Atleast Asia is still growing, boom!

 

[datalol-jack]

Atleast Asia is still growing, boom!

It's easy to grow from almost no wealth. Boom back!

 

[dowie]

I see you haven't addressed the current situation caused much more directly by him at all.
I see the markets and "the city" as one and the same tbh, they are just "trading" numbers and making a small fortune whilst doing it, when they get "nervous" it stops investment and costs real people real things

your original point was ref his background/career... and it is clear you're massively ignorant on the subject and still happy to carry on being willfully ignorant about it

again he was a metals broker - that has naff all to do with the financial crisis, he's not cost you anything from his previous career but if you're happy being massively ignorant then you can carry on blaming your personal failings on him

 

[Six6siX]

It's easy to grow from almost no wealth. Boom back!

We'll be fine then

 

[Stretch]

I'm really struggling to see who the winners are in this debacle.

 

[do_ron_ron]

I don't think Canada is part of the single market. I just has free trade for certain sectors of the economy.

There will be compromise on both sides obviously. But there is virtually nil chance of the assault compromising on one of the four central pillars, which is a problem for those wanting access to the single market but wanting to limit free movement.

Canada is part of NAFTA, so like Australia will have trade regs/red tape for you to deal with.

Almost the whole World is in one trade group or another with their own specifications. It is deluded to think we can pick one country off and do a trade deal with it.

 

[the_r_sole]

your original point was ref his background/career... and it is clear you're massively ignorant on the subject and still happy to carry on being willfully ignorant about it

again he was a metals broker - that has naff all to do with the financial crisis, he's not cost you anything from his previous career but if you're happy being massively ignorant then you can carry on blaming your personal failings on him

my personal failings? yes I am the multi millionaire backers of the projects I design and deliver.

Onto the ignore list, then I can be properly ignorant of you

(still no mention of the actual point either, nicely deflected, are you nigels campaign manager?)

 

[Arazi]

Didn't he make a speech first thing Monday morning before the market opens?

Tomorrow will be a full week since the referendum and last we heard from Boris was Friday morning.

Behind the scenes political manoeuvring, what else, Osborne is backing Boris, Gove for Chancellor and Osborne Home Secretary or Foreign. And a lot of people on here and out there who support these people think they actually give a **** about them.

Have some of you not noticed, the people in the next battle are not to be seen in the media, their plans and next moves come before the population.

The one's you see in the media are all the one's who are nobodies, they pretty much wont have a large role to play in the next battle, you have a lame duck PM, all opposition in a shambles etc etc.

It is laughable and it is in plain sight.

 

[dowie]

I'm really struggling to see who the winners are in this debacle.

the UK in general in the long run

 

[nine_tails]

I've been watching a few US news channels and it's interesting to note that many US economists, ex diplomats, politicians etc are confident the UK will do well in the long run outside the EU. Odd how they are seemingly more positive than UK pundits.

I thought people in this country were tired of experts!