Really? Chuka Umunna? He would be terrible. Another MP who doesn't agree with the democracy and his tweet responses to people are goading people to go off.
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Really? Chuka Umunna? He would be terrible. Another MP who doesn't agree with the democracy and his tweet responses to people are goading people to go off.
Wasn't she on one of the remain panels? All I remember of her is she looked like she was going to burst into tears at any second!
What an absolute farce politics has turned in to lately.
Yes indeed and also an MP who voted consistently against the Chilcot enquiry. May she be damned.
Benn is a disgrace. His sacking was completely justified. In fact I'd bet or would say a more suitable response would have been to expel him from the labour party
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This ... Crying on camera is simply unacceptable
If not accurate spelling of his name
It is CLP AGM season and the BBC are sniffing around.
I have had a guy from Newsnight contact me.
Is this the same BBC who constantly tell people what to think of Corbyn and use stooges to come on and back their views. All so that some members of the comprehensibly defunct vacuous public can then imitate and pretend they know exactly what Corbyn is really like?
Tell them to get Corbyn on himself OC to allow people to better make up their own minds about him.
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Benn is just the kind of person who would make them actually electable
Angela Eagle? Are they joking? The best person they could find is someone that, 9 months ago, was regarded as a B-grade pick for the shadow cabinet?
It's almost like they want Corbyn to win the leadership contest so that they can carry on whining. I expect the MPs will, at some point, come to terms with the fact that Labour isn't their party any more. Corbyn has changed the game - Labour now belongs to Momentum and the Unions. They should switch to other parties soon before they're reselected ahead of the next election.
It's almost like they want Corbyn to win the leadership contest so that they can carry on whining. I expect the MPs will, at some point, come to terms with the fact that Labour isn't their party any more. Corbyn has changed the game - Labour now belongs to Momentum and the Unions. They should switch to other parties soon before they're reselected ahead of the next election.
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I think the best way forwards from here is probably for Corbyn to give his backing to another left wing candidate to satisfy the PLP's blood lust against him, but allow the work him and his team have done on policy and direction in the party to continue. At least it would call some of the rebels' bluff on this being a personal thing against Corbyn's leadership, and not a distaste for the type of politics he's pushing forwards.
The thing is, I'm not sure that candidate exists. It'd have to be someone who actually wants to do it on some level for starters, but someone who was elected before 2015 (so not Cat Smith, Clive Lewis), someone who opposed the Iraq war (so probably not Burnham), someone who can't be attacked with exactly the same criticisms as Corbyn (so not McDonnell, Abbott), and crucially someone who didn't take part in the coup so they can comfortably win over the Corbyn supporting section of the party. Maybe Jon Trickett? He's got plenty of experience working under the last four Labour leaders in the cabinet/shadow cabinet. He's definitely in touch with the sort of disillusioned white working class that we need to win back. Other than him... Debbie Abrahams? I dunno.
The thing is, I'm not sure that candidate exists. It'd have to be someone who actually wants to do it on some level for starters, but someone who was elected before 2015 (so not Cat Smith, Clive Lewis), someone who opposed the Iraq war (so probably not Burnham), someone who can't be attacked with exactly the same criticisms as Corbyn (so not McDonnell, Abbott), and crucially someone who didn't take part in the coup so they can comfortably win over the Corbyn supporting section of the party. Maybe Jon Trickett? He's got plenty of experience working under the last four Labour leaders in the cabinet/shadow cabinet. He's definitely in touch with the sort of disillusioned white working class that we need to win back. Other than him... Debbie Abrahams? I dunno.
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The was said about Ed Miliband nd supporters elected him, they then trumped that by electing Corbyn.......you say Labour would be md to elect Egale.....
The entire centre-left of Labour are deluded if they think they are ever getting into government again running on a 'New Labour' ticket. The so-called Labour heartlands that would vote Labour by default are lost because they've been ignored for decades - remember 1997 was as good as 20 years ago (enjoy feeling old), and their lives haven't really been improving. UKIP are quite happy to run with the "poor and it's someone else's fault" narrative in order to pick these votes up.
Labour need to stand for something, if they aren't the party of the working class (by this I mean people who rely on the application of their labour for their income, not limiting a definition to blue-collar workers) then there's no point in them existing since they would become the Tories without the backing of the print media. The PLP need to accept that the majority of the party aren't coming round to their way of thinking and go and form their own party or join a different one. This idea that the Labour party is electable if only that Corbyn wasn't there is daft - whoever leads the party is going to get hammered by the press regardless, so you might as well have a leader that reflects the membership in some way.
Labour need to stand for something, if they aren't the party of the working class (by this I mean people who rely on the application of their labour for their income, not limiting a definition to blue-collar workers) then there's no point in them existing since they would become the Tories without the backing of the print media. The PLP need to accept that the majority of the party aren't coming round to their way of thinking and go and form their own party or join a different one. This idea that the Labour party is electable if only that Corbyn wasn't there is daft - whoever leads the party is going to get hammered by the press regardless, so you might as well have a leader that reflects the membership in some way.
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Who are you going to replace him with? He has support of the majority of the party that aren't the MPs, who have spent months planning to get rid of their leader after the referendum regardless of the outcome and are carrying out that plan instead of taking free punches at the current government.
He's been fighting the move to the right in Labour for decades, I have no idea why people thought he would stop now. If getting Labour back into government means it becomes a party that makes "tough on immigration" mugs then it wasn't worth doing because you might as well vote Conservative.
He's been fighting the move to the right in Labour for decades, I have no idea why people thought he would stop now. If getting Labour back into government means it becomes a party that makes "tough on immigration" mugs then it wasn't worth doing because you might as well vote Conservative.
I really hope he stays... first he's been weak over Brexit and keeping him in will be great for any future general election - he's a very useful idiot.
Plus he did have a big mandate, might not be popular among the MPs but the hardcore Labour types and the even more hardcore lefties(and a few Tories) who paid their fee to vote him in still love him. Plus, on a personal level, he does seem like a genuinely nice guy.
Plus he did have a big mandate, might not be popular among the MPs but the hardcore Labour types and the even more hardcore lefties(and a few Tories) who paid their fee to vote him in still love him. Plus, on a personal level, he does seem like a genuinely nice guy.