We still have free movement so I expect there's plenty of Eastern Europeans that can pop over and house share whilst getting the negotiations done if the locals CBA.
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We still have free movement so I expect there's plenty of Eastern Europeans that can pop over and house share whilst getting the negotiations done if the locals CBA.
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Where from? In your example that'd be either UK or European personnel. THis is slightly different. So - and serious question - where are these negotiators coming from, when, who pays, and when are they ready?
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Which is another very good reason not to have pushed the button the day after the referendum. Go into negotiations when we are ready and prepared.
Firstly, and a lot will depend who wins the PM race, we have to decide what we want out of leave and what the red lines are.
Some MPs are saying trade agreements especially services are more important than freedom of movement and others are saying the leave vote was all about immigration and restrictions on freedom of movement take priority over free access to trade otherwise we wont be giving the public what they voted for even if that cost comes at ruining the economy. I would rather have it that trade service for the Financial Markets still had free access and if that meant no restrictions on labour movement, so be it. Sadly, others disagree and would let out financial markets collapse if that secured no immigrants.
So somebody needs to deice what we are after first before you can then start negotiating it.
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See, you assume 'morally' means stay in the EU? I don't see it that way, our relationship from a 20,000 mile view is not that great, in fact the absolute best reason I've heard for staying in the EU is to fight it from the inside and try to influence it from the inside..
The fact is, we are a more outwardly looking global thinking nation, we alway us have been (e.g. Common Wealth) and that's part of what makes us as great a country as anyone other great country..
Europe is very inwardly looking and self serving, they have deliberately set up CAP/tarriffs etc to protect the main French/German industries, giving them maximum protection from a world market.. this is not what the UK has ever wanted, we fought to not impose tarriffs on Steel, despite it hurting the steel industry because we look outwardly..
We kept the £ and want our own currency because we have no faith in the Eurozone...
Sum all that up, and clearly we are at odds with Europe, I just believe that there is far too much evidence (historically) that the EU are really in it to protect French / German interests and our outsider behaviour we've exhibited (not taking the Euro, fighting for global trade) sealed our fate.. we got to the point brussels had enough and said 'No more'.. that essentially means we either assimilate into Europe or stagnate..
I also think that we need time to assess a game plan.. see if we can make it work, then pull article 50.. be in order to do that, we can't sit here looking all doom / gloom, we need to accept what kind of country we are, and make huge efforts to assess if we can make it work.. If after a good few months of trying to get a good plan we come to the conclusion that it really can't be done, then I'll happily change my mind and vote remain on another referendum, although I'd like to say if we embrace the EU, embrace it, get in the Euro, start looking inwardly, and get our industries protected (If its not too late).
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This is only part of the cluster**** of a legacy the leave voters have left for us.
A chance for Teresa May - one of the most authoritarian and anti civil liberty politicians around - to become PM.
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Marvellous, it gets better and better
She buttoned her lip to perfection during the brouhaha leading to the exit vote.
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The steel industry in the UK failed due to its own shortcomings. If you don't invest and modernise a business, you fall behind. Energy tariffs for high energy use industries was a welcomed charge for companies who fail to modernise for the sake of the environment and their own profit margins.
If we send MEPs which are only there to troll, disagree with others and ruffle feathers, it is unsurprising that the EU doesn't seem in our best interests. If we actually co-operated with the EU and participated more, then we would likely have a different feel toward their intentions.
If we send MEPs which are only there to troll, disagree with others and ruffle feathers, it is unsurprising that the EU doesn't seem in our best interests. If we actually co-operated with the EU and participated more, then we would likely have a different feel toward their intentions.
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The MEP thing is ridiculous isn't it.. I see Farage having a swing at everyone and you just know it's impossible to take the emotion out of things.. Some of what he says may well be true, but it's not clever to antagonise..
The Steel Industry is again a very british thing.. we happily seem to let things die like this, not investing, blocking protection tariffs, but in a way, that's who we are.. we are happy to constantly change to the world around us.. if something isn't that sustainable or worth persuing anymore, best put effort into something with a far healthier future? It's one way of doing things..
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Not really. It's not the best choice, between Johnson and May, but May is surely the better. She has more experience of cabinet government and high office.
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If Gove wins then I'll be living in the Prime Ministers constituency
And you'l have even worse services xD
[FnG]magnolia;29717159 said:
New Zealand?
New Zealand offers UK its top trade negotiators for post-Brexit deals
There's a whole world out there
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