Brexit thread - what happens next

[Greebo]

No confidence vote coming if May doesn't press the Article 50 button ASAP.

Oh she says she will push Article 50 button. She still ahs to get a majority vote in parliament though. I see she wants to keep the European Court though on exit which won;t go down well with leaver voters.

And who would instigate the vote of no confidence? two thirds of tory mp's are pro eu so they wouldnt and Labour wouldnt.

So only a revolution on the streets would do that but by then she will know who you are all are and you will all be watched plus you won't have rights to a trial by Jury so you will just disappear....................

 

[cheesyboy]

One slight edit and I'm all up for that - although finding one that disagrees with her may prove difficult. Anyway, they are probably all too busy boo-hooing over their beloved Boris' exit

Daily mail was no Boris supporter.

Worth remembering that Gove's wife, Sarah Vine, is a columnist for the Daily mail, and just so happened to get an email (written to Gove) leaked overnight....

Crucially, the membership will not have the necessary reassurance to back Boris, neither will Dacre/Murdoch, who instinctively dislike Boris but trust your ability enough to support a Boris Gove ticket. Do not concede any ground. Be your stubborn best. GOOD LUCK.

Dacre being DM editor Paul Dacre, and Murdoch being, well, Murdoch (The Sun, most importantly)

 

[englishpremier]

Oh she says she will push Article 50 button. She still ahs to get a majority vote in parliament though. I see she wants to keep the European Court though on exit which won;t go down well with leaver voters.

And who would instigate the vote of no confidence? two thirds of tory mp's are pro eu so they wouldnt and Labour wouldnt.

So only a revolution on the streets would do that but by then she will know who you are all are and you will all be watched plus you won't have rights to a trial by Jury so you will just disappear....................

That shouldn't be a problem though, the back benchers will be whipped, and although the majority is small, there will be some small support from other MPs too.

ECHR is both together and separate to the EU. So I can see how we will still be a part of it. Though we probably ought to remove ourselves from it, and let our judges develop/amend it through case law/precedent etc..

 

[Borsch]

campaigned for our country to fully govern itself

Sovereignty is not like pregnancy (you're either sovereign or not). UK is part of NATO and if Estonia was attacked by Russia, *sovereign* Britain would be obliged to defend it. Does it mean BRitain should quit NATO and be free?

EU is similar - yes, some sovereignty is ceded, but with the huge upside of being part of the biggest single market in the world. Also, Britain has veto powers as well as being able to shape EU policy. Once outside of EU, it will be subscribing to the common market rules without any say on them - Norway and Swiss style.

 

[do_ron_ron]

That shouldn't be a problem though, the back benchers will be whipped, and although the majority is small, there will be some small support from other MPs too.

I am sure a few will be up for that, save paying Ms Whiplash

ECHR is both together and separate to the EU. So I can see how we will still be a part of it. Though we probably ought to remove ourselves from it, and let our judges develop/amend it through case law/precedent etc..

Have you thought of the practical difficulty of that decision? How many laws would have to be amended?

 

[Roar87]

Sovereignty is not like pregnancy (you're either sovereign or not). UK is part of NATO and if Estonia was attacked by Russia, *sovereign* Britain would be obliged to defend it. Does it mean BRitain should quit NATO and be free?

EU is similar - yes, some sovereignty is ceded, but with the huge upside of being part of the biggest single market in the world. Also, Britain has veto powers as well as being able to shape EU policy. Once outside of EU, it will be subscribing to the common market rules without any say on them - Norway and Swiss style.

NATO is a military alliance, they're not dictating laws to us and over ruling our high courts. We don't know what future relationship we will have the EU yet.

 

[provost]

Kerry straightened them out... Brexit may never happen... let's see how this gets slow rolled....

 

[Borsch]

NATO is a military alliance, they're not dictating laws to us

My point was that NATO dictates what action we must take, if some distant country is attacked, UK has to deploy. It does not ahve freedom or absolute sovereignty in making that choice, UK is bound by laws of that multination conglomerate.

Freedom is not ALWAYS good, that's the whole point.

 

[Chris Wilson]

I am sure a few will be up for that, save paying Ms Whiplash



Have you thought of the practical difficulty of that decision? How many laws would have to be amended?

Which begs the comment just how *MUCH* jurisdiction has the ECHR acquired over our affairs? However much unravelling it takes, it should be done. We have what is probably the most admired legal system in the world, we don't need the ECHR pedalling their opinions and diktats to us, thank you very much.

 

[platypus]

we don't need the ECHR pedalling their opinions and diktats to us, thank you very much.

Yep, after all we're sick of experts.

 

[{T5K}TT]

Local to where I live. Nice enough lad. Don't think he's proven enough to be the negotiator the country needs.

The country needs Kevin Spacey levels of negotiation.

I agree. Crabb has potential but needs more experience. May is probably the best choice as leader. It's probably a good thing Johnson is not running for PM. As Max Hastings said: "Boris is a brilliant but unguided missile".
One thing for sure: Osborne has got to go. His dire warnings before the referendum served to undermine the credibility of UK economic policy, and induce volatility in the financial markets. Christine Lagarde, head of the IMF, is similarly guilty.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Which begs the comment just how *MUCH* jurisdiction has the ECHR acquired over our affairs? However much unravelling it takes, it should be done. We have what is probably the most admired legal system in the world, we don't need the ECHR pedalling their opinions and diktats to us, thank you very much.

I have heard for ages Tory politicians say they will enact a British Bill of Rights and do away with the EHCR but they never do. Is it the same as the EU? Blame the EU or the EHCR for all the ills of the country to mask their own continued failures?

 

[Tunney]

Which begs the comment just how *MUCH* jurisdiction has the ECHR acquired over our affairs? However much unravelling it takes, it should be done. We have what is probably the most admired legal system in the world, we don't need the ECHR pedalling their opinions and diktats to us, thank you very much.

The Human Rights Act incorporates the rights granted by the ECHR into UK law. It's a brilliantly considered and worded act that gives full control to our own courts.

Judgements of the ECHR must only be taken into account by British courts. They not do have to be followed and often aren't (e.g. votes for prisoners).

 

[Chris Wilson]

How is the ECHR financed?

 

[HazardO]

The next PM may* not be constitutionally allowed to invoke article 50. Parliament may be required to pass new legislation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36671629

*No pun intended

 

[Tunney]

How is the ECHR financed?

It's funded through the Council of Europe. We pay the Council of Europe around £20 million per year.

 

[Orionaut]

My point was that NATO dictates what action we must take, if some distant country is attacked, UK has to deploy. It does not have freedom or absolute sovereignty in making that choice, UK is bound by laws of that multi-nation conglomerate.

Freedom is not ALWAYS good, that's the whole point.

We were attacked by Argentina some years ago, I do not seem to remember any of our NATO allies coming to our assistance at the time (Indeed, the French carried on supplying arms to the Argentinians and, IIRC, The Belgians refused to sell us ammunition for our FN rifles!)

So I imagine that, in practice, the NATO treaty obligations are actually pretty flexible and you do not actually have to turn up if you dont want to!

(I for one, wouldn't want to go to War with Russia over any former soviet block country)

One reason why I have always felt that we should maintain our Trident capability!

Spoiler

The "Enemy" will not be able to distinguish between a UK Trident and a US one! Thus we can ensure that the USA will have to support us, Dr Stranglove style!

 

[Mulder]

One thing for sure: Osborne has got to go. His dire warnings before the referendum served to undermine the credibility of UK economic policy, and induce volatility in the financial markets. Christine Lagarde, head of the IMF, is similarly guilty.

Couldn't agree more. Financial markets are driven largely off sentiment, and these two constantly used (abused?) their positions as supposed stalwarts of financial stability to drive a political ambition, which failed.

 

[w1lliam]

Re: Boris

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

That is all. If I didn't laugh I'd be crying.

I just switched on the news and i actually swore.

Boris, I thought the French wanted our cakes?!

Oh and Farage:

There can be compromises with the EU, including on a possible British contribution to the EU budget, even if I don’t quite see the logic for it. But there will be no compromises on what Europe calls "freedom of movement.

Goddamn...

Any more lies from the leave campaign yet to unravel?

 

[Greebo]

Any more lies from the leave campaign yet to unravel?

All of them?