MTF Transpeople To Compete With Women At Rio Olympics

I've heard transgender women refer to themselves as a woman trapped in a man's body. It's an unfair advantage to use a man's body in a female sporting event.
 
ethan said:
They still have to demonstrate their testosterone level are below a certain point etc.Its not quite a free for all.
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No but imagine if men took testosterone from start of puberty till, lets say 25, they bulked up during that period, they gained muscle, got stronger, gained less fat, etc, then stop taking testosterone and compete in olympics from 25-retirement. They absolutely effectively cheated to get to the starting point at 25 and may not have taken extra testosterone, but would never have gotten to where they started at 25 without it.

Thing is I guess that male/female athletes can do that today if they want but most compete throughout their lives from a young age.

Anyway, if gender doesn't matter and women can compete with trans women, then why can't trans women just compete with the men instead. Why aren't they fighting to compete with the men... it's not purely because they'd have zero advantage over the men but a massive massive advantage over the women?
 
Dis86 said:
So...I'm confused.

Women have spend years campaigning to be recognised as equals in sport. We see this in the fact that for major tennis tournaments the prizes for male and female athletes are the same. Despite females playing fewer sets.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/31/female-sport-stars-male-prize-money

Now when they're put up against biological males they're complaining?

So let's be straight, are they equal or not? Remember...if you say they're not you're a sexist, misogynistic, awful example of a human being!
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Well we all know men and women aren't equal, all men aren't equal, all women aren't equal. It is a simple, undeniable, complete and utter truth.

However equality has become the religion of the Middle Ages, you have to believe it or you are burnt at the stake (at the moment just metaphorically but I wouldn't be overly shocked if it happened literally) by frothing lunatics from the left who dedicate their pointless lives to a "cause" as opposed to doing anything useful.
 
dowie said:
Was it confirms that it is the same poster?
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Look at the posting styles - exactly the same.

It really doesn't matter, I just don't want her going off on one and getting perma'd.
We need posters like Lucy but she's got to understand that not everybody will agree with her and her views.
 
Dis86 said:
So...I'm confused.

Women have spend years campaigning to be recognised as equals in sport. We see this in the fact that for major tennis tournaments the prizes for male and female athletes are the same. Despite females playing fewer sets.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/31/female-sport-stars-male-prize-money

Now when they're put up against biological males they're complaining?

So let's be straight, are they equal or not? Remember...if you say they're not you're a sexist, misogynistic, awful example of a human being!
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Also lets be brutally honest, women haven't fought to play 5 set matches, nor play against men. Men were paid what they were based off revenue, interest in the sport and significantly more intensive 5 set games.

Women didn't fight for equality in tennis they fought for the same prize funds, nothing more or less. I'm not saying that is wrong, but there was very little to do with equality. If lets say, female train drivers were demanding the same pay as male train drivers despite their contracts all stipulating 3 days of work a week compared to 5 for the men absolutely no one would say this was about equality because it so obviously isn't.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Also lets be brutally honest, women haven't fought to play 5 set matches, nor play against men. Men were paid what they were based off revenue, interest in the sport and significantly more intensive 5 set games.

Women didn't fight for equality in tennis they fought for the same prize funds, nothing more or less. I'm not saying that is wrong, but there was very little to do with equality. If lets say, female train drivers were demanding the same pay as male train drivers despite their contracts all stipulating 3 days of work a week compared to 5 for the men absolutely no one would say this was about equality because it so obviously isn't.
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Most equality campaigning is way beyond equality these days now, it seems to be about some bizarre revenge for the fact that they did at one point have genuine grievances.
 
spoffle said:
That's not what equality means...
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A lot of people don't know what it means.

True story -

I was doing an Equality & Diversity class for over 50 NHS staff members from all backgrounds and countries and I always started with the same question:
What does Equality & Diversity mean to you?
One adult woman shouted out "It's all about blacks"
You could hear a pin drop.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
A lot of people don't know what it means.

True story -

I was doing an Equality & Diversity class for over 50 NHS staff members from all backgrounds and countries and I always started with the same question:
What does Equality & Diversity mean to you?
One adult woman shouted out "It's all about blacks"
You could hear a pin drop.
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lol.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
A lot of people don't know what it means.

True story -

I was doing an Equality & Diversity class for over 50 NHS staff members from all backgrounds and countries and I always started with the same question:
What does Equality & Diversity mean to you?
One adult woman shouted out "It's all about blacks"
You could hear a pin drop.
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Absolutely amazing...

Going from a SME into the NHS in 2 weeks, I'm having to put myself through rigorous mental training to scrub phrases/words that I know I won't be allowed to use in the work environment anymore.
 
SteelCityColt said:
Absolutely amazing...

Going from a SME into the NHS in 2 weeks, I'm having to put myself through rigorous mental training to scrub phrases/words that I know I won't be allowed to use in the work environment anymore.
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Use them anyway.... if you start as you mean to go on, people just think you are joking and leave you be.

I did 5 years for the NHS in two different Trusts at different ends of the country.
 
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