AMD forgot a lot of their customers

[Diagro]

I agree with a lot of this, The pump whine is why a lot of us did not end up getting Fury X's, My experience with the Sapphire Fury Tri-x has been excellent apart from the odd occasion where only having 4gb's of memory mattered and that is it's Achilles heel. AMD really needed to raise there game this time around.



This has looked to be the case for a while, I think the truth is there not in the game this gen, So the best they could do was aim at this level, the saddest bit is they didn't even do that very well, Let's hope they get it together next time, Sure Vega isn't even out yet but looking at how the cards lie I'm betting it's a 1080 card at best.

Its a shame that people seem to forget what AMD said at the start.
Polaris = Mid range. Vega = High end.

This has always been the case, and still is. and so far AMD have been delivering on what they said.

Everyone needs to stop with the crap they are spouting.

Vega is only 6months or so away. Its not very long. I have still got my 2 x 290x running perfectly fine.

Hell the single 290x can run Dark souls 3 on ultra at 4k at 30fps fine.

No need to upgrade until Vega. The 1080 is just too slow for me to change.

 

[Quartz]

If you're running at 1080p do you need anything faster than a 480?

 

[Griffildur]

I think we need more people trying 480's and writing about their experience. Gregster's assessment was this was the worst card he's ever had. Of course it could be down to one bad card or worse, it could be down to the whole line being rushed and just utterly crap. More data needed.

 

[mnc fear]

Nope

 

[old gamer]

If you're running at 1080p do you need anything faster than a 480?

probably not, but you know what its like what people need and what people want are two different things

 

[SiDeards73]

Im not angry at AMD, i just wish they would be more forthcoming with actual info, even if its just tidbits here and there to keep people interested.

Other companies do it all the time, look at the new Tesla coming this year, loads of info, look at Microsoft with the Scorpio and also Sony and Nintendo, other companies manage to release info.

Didnt AMD hire a new PR bod who was from Nvidia? i dont understand why all the hush hush and secret infoz before the product is released, just give people a rough idea what to expect.

Under promise and over deliver, you do that a few times and thats going to do wonders for your image and sales, as it is right now, AMD are over promising and under delivering, and all of this is done via flashy trade show presentations that not a lot of people watch.

Maybe its due to the type of technology? maybe its impossible to give people a ballpark figure on expected performance and price months beforehand? i dont know, i have no experience in that sector, how often are these things finalised before going to production?

 

[SiDeards73]

I think we need more people trying 480's and writing about their experience. Gregster's assessment was this was the worst card he's ever had. Of course it could be down to one bad card or worse, it could be down to the whole line being rushed and just utterly crap. More data needed.

Yeah he made a mistake buying a reference AMD card, been there, done that, never again.

Aftermarket AMD cards are a totally different kettle of fish, Sapphire Cards (my preferred partner) always deliver what i want from the product.

 

[JediFragger]

I wouldn't be expecting Vega before Computex 2017 tbh, seems to be heading that way (along with the 1080Ti). I'd expect the 480X to come before it, with more of the chip unlocked when yields are better...

 

[Griffildur]

Yeah he made a mistake buying a reference AMD card, been there, done that, never again.

Aftermarket AMD cards are a totally different kettle of fish, Sapphire Cards (my preferred partner) always deliver what i want from the product.

should be interesting to see how they fare.

Although i have to say, I can't understand why AMD does such a terrible job with reference cards, they should at least work properly.

A rushed launch won't help them long term and competition with Nvidia is no reason to put out bad cards.

Feels like they really are struggling to keep up and we are at the point of release anything just to look like we're not irrelevant yet.

 

[eddyr]

Im not angry at AMD, i just wish they would be more forthcoming with actual info, even if its just tidbits here and there to keep people interested.

Other companies do it all the time, look at the new Tesla coming this year, loads of info, look at Microsoft with the Scorpio and also Sony and Nintendo, other companies manage to release info.

Didnt AMD hire a new PR bod who was from Nvidia? i dont understand why all the hush hush and secret infoz before the product is released, just give people a rough idea what to expect.

Under promise and over deliver, you do that a few times and thats going to do wonders for your image and sales, as it is right now, AMD are over promising and under delivering, and all of this is done via flashy trade show presentations that not a lot of people watch.

Maybe its due to the type of technology? maybe its impossible to give people a ballpark figure on expected performance and price months beforehand? i dont know, i have no experience in that sector, how often are these things finalised before going to production?

We do already have the AMD presentation that puts Vega Q1 2017 (on the 2016/2017 boundary). For Ballpark expectations. Assume they simply scale up and double the size of Polaris 10, you have double the throughput at <450mm2 and without factoring in higher clocks (which they can hopefully get once the process has been further refined over the next 6 months). So, at a worst case minimum, a Vega variant should outpace the GP104 quite comfortably - GP104 is around 1.8x the performance of Polaris 10.

 

[SiDeards73]

I read speculation somewhere that Polaris was only meant to be a mobile chip and was upscaled or something similar to a desktop gpu? maybe thats the reason for only bringing low end cards?

Also i dont think we are going to see a larger Polaris card, i think that is it with the 460, 470 and 480, i dont expect to see a 480X.

And i doubt this current power issue has helped them either, its certainly doesnt appear to have hindered sales, but i wonder how many people have returned cards over it?

Right now they seem to be in a mess a 480 launch that has been blighted by power issue rumors (i dont think they matter too much though personally) a reference cooler again not really fit for purpose, lackluster Xfire support which is seemingly a tradition for AMD, yet they marketed the card with Xfire against the 1080?? Wtf? and a ridiculously named Overclocking tool "You Wattman?" for a card that will barely overclock, although going forward this will probably become useful if they ever produce anything again that can overclock well, as it seems since Fiji they may have forgotten this lol.

Anyhow im just whining for the sake of it now i just feel my 290 is getting a bit long in the tooth @ 1440p and i crave a decent AMD Upgrade.

 

[danlightbulb]

I think we need more people trying 480's and writing about their experience. Gregster's assessment was this was the worst card he's ever had. Of course it could be down to one bad card or worse, it could be down to the whole line being rushed and just utterly crap. More data needed.

Does anyone have a link to gregsters review please?

 

[ICDP]

Interesting you dont think people should be angry over Nvidia's pricing!.

Have a read at my response again, I stated it is understandable people are angry at both situations from AMD and Nvidia. Though IMHO AMD are at least mostly absolved from any major blame. Nvidia on the other hand are milking consumers as per usual but as long as consumers allow it we can't blame Nvidia.

Anyways, I wouldn't be *angry* with AMD, but I think it's fair to be disappointed that it wasn't faster than it is. It's not about what AMD claimed, it's about the fact that we've got a 1.5x node jump plus a *supposedly* significant architectural upgrade, and the top Polaris cant even match the top Hawaii card. Such generational jumps typically bring far better gains. I was expecting it to be *at least* 390X level, and likely a bit more. This was also supported by them saying it was a 5.7TF card.

Mostly agreed on this part with one caveat. To be honest while I'm disappointed with performance at a personal level, AMD have significantly increased price/perf at that market by ~60%+ over 380 and 960. This is similar to the perf increase 1070/1080 gives over 970/980 but Nvidia also bumped prices significantly. So despite what I (or other enthusiasts) think, RX 480 is not a fail for AMD because it hits right at the mainstream price/perf AMD aimed at and does give the usual ~60%+ performance increase expected on a newer node when compared to their direct replacement cards.

 

[Skribla]

Ignoring the price which I believe is the only thing going for it I agree even the performance per watt is very disappointing in my opinion.

 

[SiDeards73]

Ignoring the price which I believe is the only thing going for it I agree even the performance per watt is very disappointing in my opinion.

Not really, considering it was a replacement for the 380, its actually got great performance for the target audience it was intended for, the power issue is a bit odd though, im guessing the 470 was the actual part they used for the power comparison, and the 480 is pushed right to its limits, negating the performance per power thing.

Pricewise also its taken a hammering here due to the Brexit, its still a cracking card for the price, and the AIB stuff like the Sapphire Nitro "Should" show the cards proper potential, then again thats just wishful thinking on my part, but hopefully it has some room in it for a decent overclock over what Sapphire clock it out of the box.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Its a shame that people seem to forget what AMD said at the start.
Polaris = Mid range. Vega = High end.

This has always been the case, and still is. and so far AMD have been delivering on what they said.

Everyone needs to stop with the crap they are spouting.

Vega is only 6months or so away. Its not very long. I have still got my 2 x 290x running perfectly fine.

Hell the single 290x can run Dark souls 3 on ultra at 4k at 30fps fine.

No need to upgrade until Vega. The 1080 is just too slow for me to change.

I can't see Vega being faster than the 1080, not if Polaris is only 970 performance, as the next card up has never been that much faster than the next one down, and it would have to be, even to only sniff its ass.

 

[Diagro]

knock it off.

Again your trying to compare Mid range to High end.

nvidia have yet to release Mid range. But did release the High end (1080).

AMD released their Mid range. and will release their High end (1080+ Speeds).

How is it soooo hard for people to understand?

 

[RavenXXX2]

Some might say Nvidia have already released the mid range.

 

[Diagro]

Some might Nvidia have already released the mid range.

What?

The 1060 is their Mid range. I don't see it anywhere do you?

 

[Gregster]

I can't see Vega being faster than the 1080, not if Polaris is only 970 performance, as the next card up has never been that much faster than the next one down, and it would have to be, even to only sniff its ass.

I can see where you are coming from and hopefully they have enough time to sort out the power efficiency to get it right with Vega. From the 480 release, it isn't looking good in truth and the 1070 uses less power than the 480.