Farage

[RaohNS]

I don't know dude, it is my first time in this thread. I personally found it very poor form.

Yes I realize that he isn't in gov, but he was a big part of the campaign. This isn't some big time movie where the father/friend of the hero says "you must go on without me, it's your part now", this is real life, and I find it very poor to do this.

But it really isn't poor form of him. Boris is a different matter of course.

He had a goal of leaving the EU. In order to do that we had a referendum with 72% turnout. One side had 17m+ votes the other had 16m+ votes.

At that point its up to parliament that has been elected to carry out the wishes of the people.

What comes next is what a responsible Government should do.

Edit: By which I mean we will find out just how much of a democratically ruled nation we are

 

[Arazi]

glad to see the back of him - hopefully he wont be seen or heard from again

Until he is PM

 

[Darujhistan]

I've worked in Warsaw. Interesting place. I was training up Polish engineers at Samsung's R&D centre there. In the same building was BT and several other British firms. There's a lot of cross-pollination between our two countries.

Fair enough, cross-pollination through work, but that's not the same as a headlong rush to move to Poland, despite 48% defending free movement of people.

That's the problem with free movement, it's not equal. The countries with higher standards of living are far more attractive.

If more of the people willing to defend free movement were willing to actually move to less well-off areas and then in turn potentially improve that countries economy it would be a good system.

There's 1 million people waiting for council housing, no-one really talked about that in the referendum. I don't think the EU cared much about the consequences of free movement when they implemented it.

Every govt I can remember has failed to tackle social housing - and still is failing, because there's no money in it, and therefore like many necessary infrastructure projects it gets kicked down the road.

Can't build in green areas, and rampant nimbyism as no-one living in their own home in a nice area wants social housing anywhere near them.

It's a disaster. What's the solution?

The future? back to the 19th century where people can only afford to rent a room despite working full-time?

Two very recent developments in my area, not a single affordable home in either for someone single or anyone with a young family. All large detached 3-5 bedroom houses. The one previously was 4-5 houses built on a large plot all which were completely out of reach for anyone not on upwards of 50k.

Free movement isn't the cause of the housing crisis, but it isn't helping.

What ought to have happened is large companies such as Sports Direct, should have been forced to build housing for the 100's of people from abroad they wished to employ, but what happened? SD reaped all the benefits while more pressure was applied to the bottom end of the housing market/social housing.

No thought, care or planning was put into the impact of mass economic migration.

 

[Darujhistan]

White men, preferably from the north.

Duh.

You don't know what 'preferably' means.

Duh.

 

[Arazi]

chavs are a problem to be fair, then again a good portion of them have acted as useful idiots in this referendum

I know

But i am waiting for likes of no1newt and the rest to brand all leave voters as chavs to, a lot of remain voters think we are beneath them anyway, we have had everything else labelled at us.

 

[jsmoke]

Lol.

 

[Arazi]

Perhaps a few of you ukip looneys should listen to your main MP on Nigel Farage

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

I know this is hard to accept, but the guy was a complete SCUM bag, only your dilutions carry your rational thought!

Let me guess, Carswell, do you think he will be around in 12 months? The guy is not popular, and he and Farage don't like each other, didn't you know that?

What makes you think we are looneys?

 

[Arazi]

This is a thread titled Farage is it not?

What a get out, sorry, i wont mention any other politician then in a politician thread.

And you all stink of hypocrisy.

Farage for PM.

 

[a1ex2001]

Fair enough, cross-pollination through work, but that's not the same as a headlong rush to move to Poland, despite 48% defending free movement of people.

That's the problem with free movement, it's not equal. The countries with higher standards of living are far more attractive.

If more of the people willing to defend free movement were willing to actually move to less well-off areas and then in turn potentially improve that countries economy it would be a good system.

There's 1 million people waiting for council housing, no-one really talked about that in the referendum. I don't think the EU cared much about the consequences of free movement when they implemented it.

Every govt I can remember has failed to tackle social housing - and still is failing, because there's no money in it, and therefore like many necessary infrastructure projects it gets kicked down the road.

Can't build in green areas, and rampant nimbyism as no-one living in their own home in a nice area wants social housing anywhere near them.

It's a disaster. What's the solution?

The future? back to the 19th century where people can only afford to rent a room despite working full-time?

Two very recent developments in my area, not a single affordable home in either for someone single or anyone with a young family. All large detached 3-5 bedroom houses. The one previously was 4-5 houses built on a large plot all which were completely out of reach for anyone not on upwards of 50k.

Free movement isn't the cause of the housing crisis, but it isn't helping.

What ought to have happened is large companies such as Sports Direct, should have been forced to build housing for the 100's of people from abroad they wished to employ, but what happened? SD reaped all the benefits while more pressure was applied to the bottom end of the housing market/social housing.

No thought, care or planning was put into the impact of mass economic migration.

You seriously believe the crisis in supply of social homes and homes in general in the UK is in any significant way down to immigration from the EU? You have been well and truly sucked in! The problem is chronic under investment over decades and the right to buy turning social housing into a money making scheme. This is the trouble with most of the anti immigration arguments they are all calculated to transfer blame onto those people over there who are a bit different from us because it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the rich getting richer and nobody investing enough in local services such as housing. Immigration from the EU is a tiny insignificant drop in the ocean in 2014/15 91% of council house assignments were to native population.

 

[Bonjour]

The problem with social housing started with the Right to Buy scheme and is being perpetuated, exacerbated even, by the current government's plan to extend the right to buy to housing association tenants.

 

[Greebo]

The problem with social housing started with the Right to Buy scheme and is being perpetuated, exacerbated even, by the current government's plan to extend the right to buy to housing association tenants.

And lots of people made vast profits from right to buy. In some areas huge percentages of homes were bought by people on welfare as companies bought them on their behalf, paid them a lump sum to move out and then did them up and sold them for 100k+ profit.

ANd the meagre money the councils got wasnt then put back into building new houses.

 

[provost]

After trolling everyone, he may cash in on his pathetic brand by signing up as an in house "expert idiot" for one of Murdoch's media companies. He will be making more money than he ever has, while laughing at the people who voted for Brexit. This Kremlinite may even get a broader audience....LMAO

 

[Greebo]

After trolling everyone, he may cash in on his pathetic brand by signing up as an in house "expert idiot" for one of Murdoch's media companies. He will be making more money than he ever has, while laughing at the people who voted for Brexit. This Kremlinite may even get a broader audience....LMAO

Well he did have lunch with Murdoch yesterday and they talked for a long time...............

 

[RDM]

Immigration from the EU is a tiny insignificant drop in the ocean in 2014/15 91% of council house assignments were to native population.

The problem is that immigration isn't spread evenly across the country so it will have had more of an impact in some areas. Not to mention that 9% isn't an insignificant amount of housing in of itself.

Chronic underinvestment in social housing for decades is a problem which is then compounded in some areas by having large amounts of immigration. Immigration isn't to blame, but it does increase the pressure on already underfunded services.

 

[Greebo]

so basically all immigration has done is pointed the flaws and the failing areas of this country anyway.

All the things which we could have fixed easily over the years.

Which is why the emergency brake would never have applied. We dont spend enough of our gdp on infrastructure to qualify for a brake.

 

[Arazi]

You seriously believe the crisis in supply of social homes and homes in general in the UK is in any significant way down to immigration from the EU? You have been well and truly sucked in! The problem is chronic under investment over decades and the right to buy turning social housing into a money making scheme. This is the trouble with most of the anti immigration arguments they are all calculated to transfer blame onto those people over there who are a bit different from us because it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the rich getting richer and nobody investing enough in local services such as housing. Immigration from the EU is a tiny insignificant drop in the ocean!

I agree with a lot of that.

In my area i have witnessed quite a few refugee's, immigrants jump to the top of every list when it comes to housing and more, when people who where born in my local area have been waiting for somewhere to live for 12 months + what are they meant to think or do? is that right?

When lack of investment etc causes what you posted nobody should be allowed to queue jump, should they?

It causes a lot of resentment from local people and it is one reason we have ended up where we are.

That isn't equality.

 

[Roar87]

I'm reading he just stepped down as UKIP leader?

So... beat the hornets nest, and let everyone else deal with the fallout? Nice.

Such a populist inaccurate thing to say.

 

[Arazi]

instead of (virtually) shaking your fist in the air and ranting aimlessly why not actually engage with posters - for example who is a UKIP loony in this thread?

That is all he does, enters, rants waaa waaa waaa and then leaves, it must be because the game he is in is on a latte break.

 

[platypus]

Farage resigns on the same day that Evans resigns from top gear.

Hmmmmm..

 

[Arazi]

That's not a plan, that's a fantasy.

Is it? What has this week been like? Politics wise, a fantasy? nobody predicted the week we have had before the 23/06 did they.

Nige for PM.