AMD forgot a lot of their customers

[SiDeards73]

Wont Vega just be the bigger Polaris though, more Streams, ROPS etc..., with either GDDR5X, HBM2 ?

I believe Vega is a totally different Architecture, if i remember correctly it was said in an interview somewhere, that Polaris and Vega were totally different architectures.

Seems i may have been dreaming this actually lol, its speculated that Polaris was the successor to Hawaii and that Vega is the successor to Fiji... so it may well be upscaled Fiji, does Polaris look anything like upscaled Hawaii?

 

[nashathedog]

Its a shame that people seem to forget what AMD said at the start.
Polaris = Mid range. Vega = High end.

This has always been the case, and still is. and so far AMD have been delivering on what they said.

Everyone needs to stop with the crap they are spouting.

Vega is only 6months or so away. Its not very long. I have still got my 2 x 290x running perfectly fine.

Hell the single 290x can run Dark souls 3 on ultra at 4k at 30fps fine.

No need to upgrade until Vega. The 1080 is just too slow for me to change.

The thing is when you look at a generation jump you expect to get the performance that was offered by cards one tier up and this time due to the die shrink we was expecting more than usual, When Nvidia delivered the expectation was more of the same yet AMD barely managed a generation jump without the die shrink.

As for waiting for Vega because a 1080 is not a big enough performance leap over what you have now, I hope Vega delivers. I don't think it will but I hope it does, We'll see in about 6 months time.

 

[Griffildur]

Based on what we've seen so far, we'd be lucky if Vega comes even remotely close to a 1070. Fingers crossed that it does, but I doubt it.

 

[Poneros]

I have confidence that the 490 will match/edge out the 1080, but in no way will it be truly high end. As for 1080ti, I don't know if AMD will be able to match that, though I do have to say they have DX12 advantage at least.

 

[Troezar]

Based on what we've seen so far, we'd be lucky if Vega comes even remotely close to a 1070. Fingers crossed that it does, but I doubt it.

Hoping something works out, sold my cards now waiting to replace them and no onboard graphics so until then no PC.

The 480 looks close for 1440p and the 1070 is overpriced plus I don't want to pay the Gsync tax at a later date. Bit of a tricky one...

 

[Griffildur]

Hoping something works out, sold my cards now waiting to replace them and no onboard graphics so until then no PC.

The 480 looks close for 1440p and the 1070 is overpriced plus I don't want to pay the Gsync tax at a later date. Bit of a tricky one...

I don't get this, why don't you get a cheap card just to have something? Surely anything is better than nothing ...

 

[Troezar]

I don't get this, why don't you get a cheap card just to have something? Surely anything is better than nothing ...

Good point, but more money and I have my wife's PC plus phones and tablets to web browse. I can wait it out for a while as gaming isn't my main hobby.

 

[eddyr]

Based on what we've seen so far, we'd be lucky if Vega comes even remotely close to a 1070. Fingers crossed that it does, but I doubt it.

Some history, a general understanding of chip manufacturing/gpu configuration, along with some basic maths will tell you it will.
Even in worst case scenario where they do not improve perf/watt they have more than enough power headroom to soundly beat a gtx1070 with a bigger chip.

 

[Poneros]

Good point, but more money and I have my wife's PC plus phones and tablets to web browse. I can wait it out for a while as gaming isn't my main hobby.

Imo you will still be able to resell the 480 if you get one now or in two weeks for Nitro one for most of its value, at most losing £30 but enjoying it for a few months. Is that not worth it?

 

[Griffildur]

Some history, a general understanding of chip manufacturing/gpu configuration, along with some basic maths will tell you it will.
Even in worst case scenario where they do not improve perf/watt they have more than enough power headroom to soundly beat a gtx1070 with a bigger chip.

ok, I will quote you on this when Vega appears ...

 

[EXxx]

I think a lot of people forget the fact that the RX 480 is a 232mm2 chip, while the 1070/1080 is 314mm2.
I am in no way saying that a 314mm2 equivalent from AMD will be better than the 1070, but it should put it at stock speeds between a 980 and 980Ti(roughly).
keep in mind that from 380X to 390X there is a 20%difference in chip size (366mm2 -> 438mm2) but the performance gap is larger that 30%(more like 40 to 50%).
I wouldn't be too worried about AMD right now, unless 6-9 months go without an response to 1070/1080.

I do feel like they keep ******g up the releases by small margins. Fury with the coil and so much touted OC dream, 480 hyped as the new 4850 (this was a good 10-20% faster than 3870! keep that in mind).
I, as a lot others around here feel that AMD is over-promising and under achieving.

 

[The Running Man]

So y'know maybe just dont buy an amd and buy the fastest card to suit your budget?

 

[Baboonanza]

So y'know maybe just dont buy an amd and buy the fastest card to suit your budget?

There is a big gap in the market around £300 at the moment though, and many (myself included) feel that the 1070 is overpriced and the 1080 is just horrendously expensive.

My take on the 480 thing is the AMD were aiming for higher, maybe 1400 to 1600 Mhz stock clocks and have had serious manufacturing issues. There were rumours along those lines prior to release and it fits how everything has worked out. Hopefully it's not an intrinsic problem with the process at Global Foundries and Vega won't be affected.

 

[eddyr]

ok, I will quote you on this when Vega appears ...

I am pretty confident on it, so sure why not!

 

[Blackjack Davy]

I was desperate for a beastly high end AMD card, the FuryX was absolutely pants for the money it launched at, and I still wouldn't touch one with a barge pole today.

Why? Once the initial issues with the pumps were sorted they're quiet cards they rarely get above 55 and so the fan rarely need to crank up its one of the quietest cards I've had for some time and it powers the XR34 nicely. I got mine used. The phrase cutting off your nose to spite your face springs to mind?

Xfires terrible though, and i cant see the devs adding mGPU support.

Xfire works great when the drivers mature and the devs actually get around to supporting it, and SLI ain't much different in that regard as you well know.

I believe Vega is a totally different Architecture, if i remember correctly it was said in an interview somewhere, that Polaris and Vega were totally different architectures.

Seems i may have been dreaming this actually lol, its speculated that Polaris was the successor to Hawaii and that Vega is the successor to Fiji... so it may well be upscaled Fiji, does Polaris look anything like upscaled Hawaii?

Didn't they say Vega was HBM2? It seems more likely that the 490 will be the replacement for the 390 and will offer a similar performance boost that the 480 gave over the 380 and wiill probably be GDDR5.

I have confidence that the 490 will match/edge out the 1080, but in no way will it be truly high end. As for 1080ti, I don't know if AMD will be able to match that, though I do have to say they have DX12 advantage at least.

And with that the hype train just left the station again. All aboard! Seriously why do people do this? Nowhere is there any indication that this is anything but wishful thinking, and then when it doesn't match the ridiculous hype its slated a disappointment when infact like the 480 which is a nice upgrade over its replacement the 380 at decent price point. But not a 1080 beater! Because that'll almost certainly never happen. For that I'd look to the HBM2 cards and even then so long as they're priced competitively I don't care if it doesn't match it, just so long as its good value for what they are. If they're overpriced, well thats another story.

 

[beany_bot]

I have confidence that the 490 will match/edge out the 1080, but in no way will it be truly high end. As for 1080ti, I don't know if AMD will be able to match that, though I do have to say they have DX12 advantage at least.

I really don't think so...
I think the 490 would come in around 1070 levels. Maybe even slightly slower.

 

[old gamer]

I really don't think so...
I think the 490 would come in around 1070 levels. Maybe even slightly slower.

thinking the same, being a tad slower would not bother me too much if the price is right

 

[mahius]

Heck, AMD really didn't do anything for the mainstream either. People who whose budgets meant they were looking at buying a R9 380/GTX 960 before... are still looking at the same thing. None of those reasonably priced 4GB RX 480s are available anywhere and I doubt custom cards will be much better considering the 390/970 pricing of the custom Sapphire 8GB version.

And this isn't just coming form me. I know a few folks who were looking at the £100-£200 mark for GPUs for quite a while and they aren't even going to consider a 480 since it's way out of their price budget.

thinking the same, being a tad slower would not bother me too much if the price is right

Heh, considering the current pricing of the RX 480... no chance of that happening. It'll probably be priced similarly to the 1070, which is what AMD have been doing in the past with some launches (like the R9 300 series).