Not really - there's a small group of Remainers accounting for most of the posts in this thread - text book example of 'groupthink' with just a little contagious mourning and hysteria. I suspect the majority of OC are bored of the subject particularly given nothing will happen until the new PM.
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Not really - there's a small group of Remainers accounting for most of the posts in this thread - text book example of 'groupthink' with just a little contagious mourning and hysteria. I suspect the majority of OC are bored of the subject particularly given nothing will happen until the new PM.
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Yes.
So why are you (not you, specifically but leave voters in general) so opposed to another vote?
Surely two leave votes is better than one?
yes because unlike Switzerland who rolled over, the EU will not cut a similar deal that give China tariff free trade while the EU has to wait 15 years for their Tariff free trade to kick in over in China.
Some people simply don't understand that the EU was not and never has been in the market of cutting itself bad deals. The UK would go to China and they will get rolled just like Switzerland. That's not a good deal that's a deal for the desperate, it's like drinking your own **** bear grylls style because there is nothing else left to do.
China are not trying to do us a favour, they know the UK needs trade deals, and will be desperate and they will exploit that only to their advantage. If China wanted to do us a favour they;d stop dumping their state sponsored at a loss steel into our country putting our own industry at risk of closure.
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I don't know if trade deal negotiations shouldn't be frustrating. Otherwise you probably aren't getting the best deal possible.
The EU as a bloc has far higher negotiating ability than the UK on it's own. Wasn't it only a few months ago we were complaining that China was flooding the world with cheap steel under WTO rules. How frustrating for China will it be if we ask to impose large tariffs on that same steel? Will the UK even have the power to impose such a thing in it's desperation to fast track trade deals.
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Reminds me of when Hammond went to Vietnam to talk up Britain... they asked him how their deal with the EU was progressing, and what Britain could do to speed it up. Osborne's Chinese trip was in a similar vein, though admittedly he did manage to get some investment in return for shanking our steel industry in the process, only for that to unravel later with jobs on the line. Yes Minister-style!
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people just don't seem to get it, the EU was never in the business of cutting itself bad deals. China are not looking to do us a favour, they want to exploit the fact that we have less to bring to the bargaining talks and will literally roll the UK like they did Switzerland.
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Most vitally for the sort of economy we are, we used the EU as a selling point for the UK as a base of operations and an investment target, with our vetos and other special exemptions making us a reasonably differentiated yet fully integrated part of the single market. We were the brokers of Europe, so to speak. Now we cannot pull the same trick, especially if we become Norway MK2, since that costs us our vetoes, representation and common market influence.
Smart. Bigly.
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A quote from the comments of that video
"'I want to go on a gap yaah around Europe when I graduate, voting leave would be inconvenient".
^^ This is what were dealing with.
"'I want to go on a gap yaah around Europe when I graduate, voting leave would be inconvenient".
^^ This is what were dealing with.
and we are dealing with equally moronic people that want to "send them home", something about sovereignty and soemthing else about 350million for something that Gove said..........
yes there are idiots on both sides, so what's your point.
Also FYI China and Australia hammered out a trade agreement between them in a year or so, and while China has full access to the Australia market, Australia has to wait 5 years before it has the same kind of access to market in China.
This is the type of deal we'll be looking at from China. No thanks.
Have you tried explaining to him that being British is a free pass to do what we like to others who aren't British and maybe he should use his sovereignty to fund his gap year?
You seem to be posting in an echo chamber with yourself.
so much for the claims we'd be signed up for a TTIP style deal right away then...
it is amusing to watch though, it is all they've got left really... so it helps to pretend that leave voters are mostly like the typical Barnsley yokel interviewed on channel 4 or that understanding the EU is too complicated for the 'average voter'/man in the street but fine for the intellectual heavyweights we've got on this forum
no, financial services don't just disappear if we lose passporting. They'd probably take a bit of a hit sure but to say -20% of the UK economy in a single swipe is rather naive
or possibly just carry on under the existing arrangements
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Sure. One minute they buy a Burberry handbag, the next they just buy Burberry. UK Plc has never looked so cheap.
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