Brexit thread - what happens next

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The other key issue I've noticed on this thread is claiming that sterling dropping is a good thing. Exports will rise etc.

That is partially correct, exports do have a price pressure to increase from a level because the exchange rate represents the price of UK goods and services. Note, not everything can be exported.

Like anything a price is the result of supply and demand. The exchange rate has dropped because:

- The domestic economy will slow down, and so domestic consumption of goods and service will fall. These additional goods/services will have to be exported in the short term (before businesses can change their capacity). This supply increase pushes prices of UK goods/services down (in both sterling and dollars).

- Leaving the EU is expected to add trade and political barriers making it more difficult for the UK to export in the short term. This consequential reduction in demand again applies pressure for the price of UK goods/services to fall.

The key takeaway, is that sterling falling is a natural mechanism of the market to reach an equilibrium. It does not mean we are better off than before.

Sterling is dropping on the expectation of lower interest rates. Exports are rising for the suppliers I deal with, massively so in some cases. One of my UK suppliers has temporarily doubled delivery lead times.
 
Sterling is dropping on the expectation of lower interest rates.

This is part of it, but not all of it. It's dropping on the expectation of impaired economic performance as well (Which is of course the reason for the lower interest rates in the first place).
 
Informal negotiations have already been taking place. During the NATO meeting discussions dominated the meeting.

Sterling is dropping on the expectation of lower interest rates. Exports are rising for the suppliers I deal with, massively so in some cases. One of my UK suppliers has temporarily doubled delivery lead times.

Also QE.

His successor might have different ideas, and that's a potential political risk, if the Submarine gets sunk in September.

Both of the potential leaders have put it at the top of their priority lists. After my visit to the City on Thursday I'm in zero doubt the City's position will be completely unchanged.
 
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The irony of becoming a tax haven will be worth it in its own right. Though forgive my scepticism in light of recent flip-flops by just about everyone on the political scene. Leadsom in particular swings from a free-market radical one moment to a nutty isolationist the next, with a dodgy CV to boot. Hard to say presently what tendency will win out in the end, and whom we will actually throw at the negotiators in Brussels.
 
"You lost" should be banned in this thread. It's annoying and not really adding anything constructive?

Guess your negotiation tactic with the eu would be "you lost" ?

Negotiation tactic would be say something and if it does not work pretend you never said it and get all triumphal and indignant about something else.


"Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.

The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017
 
Hard to see positives when you are in an echo chamber. The bleating Remainers will stop bleating and googling every person to lose a job whatever the reason as that won't matter as Brexit will be the cause of everything wrong ever whilst conveniently avoiding the positive news.

Eventually

Well I didnt change my opinion based on these threads :)..
 
Sterling is dropping on the expectation of lower interest rates. Exports are rising for the suppliers I deal with, massively so in some cases. One of my UK suppliers has temporarily doubled delivery lead times.

The interest rate is firstly intrinsically linked to the health of the economy and more specifically the return assets within the economy can give.

When the return provided by an economy for real investment falls, monetary policy needs to try and ensure that people don't just hoard cash, damaging the economy, and so the interest rate is cut.

Interest rate changes, currency changes, inflation changes are all symptoms of what is happening with the underlying economy.

I don't think you read my post properly. Exports will increase, but hailing it as a good thing isn't the correct thing. In this case it is a sign of a weak domestic economy, not that the UK suddenly a far more competitive exporting economy.
 
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Sterling is dropping on the expectation of lower interest rates. Exports are rising for the suppliers I deal with, massively so in some cases. One of my UK suppliers has temporarily doubled delivery lead times.

Gibbo from here said their overseas sales have rocketed. Suspect uk sales will be falling though
 
Surely overseas sales would only rocket in the gap between the pound losing value, and the items priced in GBP being raised to cover off the currency changes?
 
Gibbo from here said their overseas sales have rocketed. Suspect uk sales will be falling though

Its going to be a nice economic boom in this country, Europe is in decline, Germany tried to take control and failed, the euro has destroyed southern countries, Italian banks about to collapse, French or Italian about to exit the euro.
 
The interest rate is firstly intrinsically linked to the health of the economy and more specifically the return assets within the economy can give.

When the return provided by an economy for real investment falls, monetary policy needs to try and ensure that people don't just hoard cash, damaging the economy, and so the interest rate is cut.

Interest rate changes, currency changes, inflation changes are all symptoms of what is happening with the underlying economy.

I don't think you read my post properly. Exports will increase, but hailing it as a good thing isn't the correct thing. In this case it is a sign of a weak domestic economy, not that the UK suddenly a far more competitive exporting economy.

You mean the interest rates that have been at 0.5% for the last 5 years.

Those ones?
 
Haven't followed the thread closely but just watched Panorama with Adrian Chiles - makes me rage, the views and misinformation these voters have is unbelievable. The years of media scaremongering should be held accountable.

Should remove all the British bars, shops and restaurants from the equation on their next, more expensive trip to Spain and see how they get on.
 
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Yes, those ones. What is your point there? :confused:

Being in the EU did not shield us from having to run record low interest rates.

It ain't the economic juggernaut Remainers want to have us believe.
 
Being in the EU did not shield us from having to run record low interest rates.

It ain't the economic juggernaut Remainers want to have us believe.

I'm not saying low interest rates are bad. Nor am I saying the world economy right now isn't in a poor position (low interest rates, low inflation, precarious economic growth).

However, leaving the EU will in the short term hit the UK economy at a time when the world economy itself is relatively weak. The BoE is looking to lower interest rates, sterling has fallen 14% versus the dollar, government tax income will fall.

Time will tell, but we will be able to measure our economic performance against Germany/France/Italy etc. All educated predictions point to the UK being hit far worse than anyone else in the world as a consequence of Brexit. To make things worse, whilst inflation normally falls when economic growth slows (helping keep real incomes up), there are predictions of a brief spike in inflation over the next 12 months.

If house prices start falling, then credit may be more difficult to get, creating a localised UK credit crisis. The BoE will have already fired everything at its disposal. (See share prices of UK banks).
 
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Being in the EU did not shield us from having to run record low interest rates.

It ain't the economic juggernaut Remainers want to have us believe.

This is a complete waste of time.

Nobody said the EU was an 'economic juggernaut' at all. Nobody said it shields you from low interest rates.

However, our presence within it has aided our economic recovery and was at least partially responsible for the high levels of growth compared with other large major economies we had been seeing.

The UK performed well within the EU - which isn't the same as saying 'The EU as a whole performed well'.
 
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