Brexit thread - what happens next
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[TW]Fox;29766950 said:
"tariff free ultra cheap Indian made goods push domestic stuff out of the market." You seem to want examples of why trade deals would benefit Britain. I'd like to see some examples of cheap Indian made goods that will push out cheap UK made goods.
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The EU is pro-big business (I notice that former President of the European Commission Jean-Manuel Barroso has been confirmed the head of Goldman Sachs International today) whereas the UK has traditionally championed small and medium sized enterprises. As for being the champion of worker's rights - suggest you go and look up the youth unemployment rates across Europe.
That all seems to be going to South Africa at the moment. I fear it will stay there because so far my experience with Saffer call centres has been a lot better than Indian ones.
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^^ Farage quoting gandhi... lol
In what way is the EU pro-big business?
Agree to a degree about small and medium business.
Worker's rights? pfft. 95% of that has come from the EU and the Tories hate it (and so does business, as this is the "red tape" from the EU they keep complaining about.
You only have to look as Leadsom's statement that she wants to remove this "burden" from small business and have them exempt from maternity leave, minimum wage, unfair dismissal and working time directive.
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So the logic was to leave the EU because one of our UK elected representatives wouldn't make a decision the public would agree with? Surely we'll just vote him out at the next election and it'll all be fine right?
Do you not see how little sense this makes?
But they have had 30 years of government and the press blaming all of this on the EU.
Same with British steel. We could have used our veto to save the steel industry but we didn't cause we wanted the deal with China. The Eu got the blame.
I suspect post Brexit, the government will blame all "bad decisions" and new laws on the Brexit
1. Cheap immigrant labour to undercut wages;
2. EU regs are difficult to implement for smaller businesses making it difficult for them to compete;
3. Tax avoidance loopholes e.g. Double Irish
4. Easy to shift production to other EU countries
She did say that a few years ago when she was a back-bench MP, and the key thing was that it would only apply to businesses with fewer than three employees - which is a rather key point. That's a long way from becoming Tory party policy. In any case she's just pulled out of the race so won't be becoming PM.
Edit: it's strange how remainers latch on to that statement from Andrea Leadsom but aren't too keen on mentioning our new PM-in-waiting's policies which include worker representation in the boardroom. Something I've been calling for for a while now.
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So you don't mean the EU as a body is pro-big business, just that the effect of various policies has lead to the ability for big business to exploit things?
Ever seen the Save the NHS thread? There were a good 300-350 posts in 2015.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18312617
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stay in the motors section dude.
I post my opinion, nothing more, nothing less. It might be right, it might be wrong, but it’s my view. That is the purpose of discussion threads on discussion forums. When you can come up with a post longer than a paragraph that doesn’t use silly words like ‘**********s’ then perhaps you can tell me to go back to Motors.
It’s always a risk when offering tariff free trade to a market with a considerably lower cost base – it means they can export as much as they wish at much lower prices making competition difficult for domestic firms. This can benefit existing foreign companies and also encourage the development of new ones to benefit from the low cost easy trade environment such deals create. You can’t bang the drum for high living wages whilst at the same time wanting free trade with far lower cost economies. How can British firms compete with that if they have to pay so much to operate?
This is already a problem even with tariffs in place because the operating costs are so much lower. Reducing or removing those tariffs exacerbates this.
This isn’t to say a trade deal with India is a bad idea but I’m just highlighting that its fairly obvious they would see a deal like that as ‘heaven’ because they stand to benefit from it far more than we would.
Would anyone here want a free trade deal with China, for example?
Free trade deals work best between economies that are similar, not economies that are disparate. There would be little downside in having a free trade deal with, say, Australia. Or France..
NAFTA is an interesting case in point – look at how much US production ended up in Mexico as a result of NAFTA. As a firm why wouldn’t you?
[TW]Fox;29767106 said:
The point is, the problem already exists with the EU. Low quality labour intensive products can 'easily' be shipped out to Bulgaria where the average wage is a fifth of the UK, or through the FTA with Ukraine where the wage is 15 times lower then the UK. FTA have something in it for both sides otherwise the status quo would apply. The UK needs to be careful when setting up the agreements in haste though.
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The election where 25% of the population managed to get the Cons in?
There was a rather large save the nhs thread here, how did you miss that?
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