Fury vs 980Ti

Marine-RX179 · 25 Jul 2016 at 10:56

Tommy_Here said:
I'm with Gregster on this one, why are people recommending a fury or fury nano over a 980 Ti if it was my money I'd definitely grab a Ti if you get that bad boy cranked up there AMD hasn't got a card that can touch it

Nobody is recommending Fury or Fury Nano over 980Ti. I said the Fury Nano is also worth considering, with all things considered.

I don't get why people are so quick to dismiss the AMD options, despite there are sounded reasons behind why they should be considered as well. If both the 980Ti and the Fury Nano only just got launched and both are similar priced, then obviously the 980Ti would be the better options hands down...but we are now talking about passed EOL, the situation is not so clear cut here, knowing the the 980Ti performance that people keep thinking of won't apply for new games, and its performance in new titles would only generally drop down toward 980 level as time goes by.

jupiter_man · 25 Jul 2016 at 11:19

Getting a freesync / gsync monitor is far more important than the card
choose the monitor first then decide which card you want to go for

Mayh3M · 25 Jul 2016 at 11:24

980 Ti kills the Fury.

Maybe in three years time they'll be even. Too bad it's stuck with a measly 4GB.

Ash0787 · 25 Jul 2016 at 11:29

I find that game optimization is better on nvidia cards than Fury, for example Ark Survival was really stuttery on my Fury X but worked quite smooth and higher FPS on 780Ti ... Also more VRAM on 980Ti.

Gregster · 25 Jul 2016 at 12:18

Marine-RX179 said:
Nobody is recommending Fury or Fury Nano over 980Ti. I said the Fury Nano is also worth considering, with all things considered.

I don't get why people are so quick to dismiss the AMD options, despite there are sounded reasons behind why they should be considered as well. If both the 980Ti and the Fury Nano only just got launched and both are similar priced, then obviously the 980Ti would be the better options hands down...but we are now talking about passed EOL, the situation is not so clear cut here, knowing the the 980Ti performance that people keep thinking of won't apply for new games, and its performance in new titles would only generally drop down toward 980 level as time goes by.

Not sure how many times this has been stated but I am sure you have read it and just trying to be deliberately ignorant or trolling? Nvidia do not cripple performance but rather AMD get the performance that their GPUS are capable of. More recently, AMD had the crimson drivers which gave some great gains and then people look at the performance graphs and wrongfully assume some form of foul play by Nvidia. Show me any graph that shows performance degradation and you might have a point however, if you can't, I will have to consider the first two options.

nashathedog · 25 Jul 2016 at 12:49

Davanius said:
If you are upgrading your monitor in the near future and would consider freesync as it should be cheaper then I would go fury.

Without sync tech I would take the 980ti. But as others have said, end of line nvidia cards suffer more than amd cards as time goes by as they don't get as much optimizations through drivers.

Pretty much this,
If you are going freesync and AMD I wouldn't go with a Nano over a Fury, It's held back by power and size meaning heat and noise. Plus looking at results for Nano's and Furies on 3dmark shows the Nano is ever so slightly slower so why someone would get a hotter louder card is beyond me. Obviously if you want to build an ITX rig then sure if it can't fit the Fury X cooler go Nano, Other than that a Fury and a Freesync panel will go together great. I currently run a 1080p panel as well so I use 1440p via dsr with my Fury and it struggles with nothing.

The 980 ti is the faster card and it has more ram but if the freesync panel is added to the mix I'd personally go Fiji & Freesync over a 980ti and no sync.

nashathedog · 25 Jul 2016 at 12:55

Panos said:
If you stay on air Fury P (non X) and overclock it. Most can hit 1200/1100

News to me, From what I've seen none can hit 1200mhz. 1100 or a bit more with volts maybe. There's stories that the Fury Nitro clocks better but I've yet to see proof.

Before voltage tweaking was available my Fury Tri-x could manage 1110 for a clean run of Firestrike but for 100% stable gaming only 1080mhz.

Relentless81 · 25 Jul 2016 at 13:04

As is always the case for value go with a Fury and a Free-Sync monitor

For higher FPS go with a 980Ti, the G-Sync monitor will cost a lot more than a Free-Sync monitor though

Also the Fury based on previous AMD cards may increase in performance where as the 980Ti may decrease

I wouldnt worry about RAM at the moment especially if its a stop gap, I game at 1440p and have just bought a Fury, it doesnt worry me in the slightest from what I've read. Mostly just scare mongering and fanboyist comments that throw about 4GB ram arguments from what I can gather

spikerules · 25 Jul 2016 at 13:14

Gregster said:
Not sure how many times this has been stated but I am sure you have read it and just trying to be deliberately ignorant or trolling? Nvidia do not cripple performance but rather AMD get the performance that their GPUS are capable of. More recently, AMD had the crimson drivers which gave some great gains and then people look at the performance graphs and wrongfully assume some form of foul play by Nvidia. Show me any graph that shows performance degradation and you might have a point however, if you can't, I will have to consider the first two options.

You are so naive... Planned obsolescence is not new and comes in many forms. Nvidia do it by not improving on their past architecture, but rather let it stagnant, whereas AMD constantly improve upon their old architectures. This isn't anything new. Most companies do it including Apple.

Jeez mentioning anything bad against Nvidia and your pitch forks come out!

Poneros · 25 Jul 2016 at 13:32

spikerules said:
You are so naive... Planned obsolescence is not new and comes in many forms. Nvidia do it by not improving on their past architecture, but rather let it stagnant, whereas AMD constantly improve upon their old architectures. This isn't anything new. Most companies do it including Apple.

Jeez mentioning anything bad against Nvidia and your pitch forks come out!

Gregster isn't naive, he's just part of the Team Nvidia of OCUK forums. You'll come to recognize the members soon enough if you hang around graphics cards section.

As for the matter at hand, I think it was very obvious a few months ago that no matter your affiliation the answer to 980ti vs Fury was 980 ti by a long shot. Now? It's harder to say, because the 980 ti is so slow in DX12 & Vulkan and there's no signs of that getting better - it just keeps falling further behind. So that's something to consider. Another thing to consider is the fact that there are strict budget limits for people, so if going Fury allows you to buy a Freesync monitor, then that will be worth more than the extra performance of the 980 ti in DX 11. The only problem is... 980 ti has seen big cuts to its price and there's plenty of cheap 2nd hand deals around.

So, tl;dr if you can go the extra £100 980 ti + Gsync is better, if you can't then Fury + Freesync is better than 980 ti and no Gsync.

nashathedog · 25 Jul 2016 at 13:32

Seeing as I was sat here doing nothing I thought I'd give overclocking my Fury a go so I installed Afterburner put 60mv on the voltage, 60% on the fans, pushed the power slider to max and tried it at 1120/500, 1140/500 & 1150/500 with Firestrike extreme. The first two went smoothly with no artifacting etc but 1150 went bsod forcing a reboot.

It gave a decent result increase at 1140 compared to the stock 1040 though.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8269274/fs/9498430/fs/9498519

Lokken86 · 25 Jul 2016 at 13:36

Nasha is yours unlocked too?

nashathedog · 25 Jul 2016 at 13:47

Lokken86 said:
Nasha is yours unlocked too?

No, I'm a bit nervous about trying.

Gregster · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:13

spikerules said:
You are so naive... Planned obsolescence is not new and comes in many forms. Nvidia do it by not improving on their past architecture, but rather let it stagnant, whereas AMD constantly improve upon their old architectures. This isn't anything new. Most companies do it including Apple.

Jeez mentioning anything bad against Nvidia and your pitch forks come out!

Poneros said:
Gregster isn't naive, he's just part of the Team Nvidia of OCUK forums. You'll come to recognize the members soon enough if you hang around graphics cards section.

As for the matter at hand, I think it was very obvious a few months ago that no matter your affiliation the answer to 980ti vs Fury was 980 ti by a long shot. Now? It's harder to say, because the 980 ti is so slow in DX12 & Vulkan and there's no signs of that getting better - it just keeps falling further behind. So that's something to consider. Another thing to consider is the fact that there are strict budget limits for people, so if going Fury allows you to buy a Freesync monitor, then that will be worth more than the extra performance of the 980 ti in DX 11. The only problem is... 980 ti has seen big cuts to its price and there's plenty of cheap 2nd hand deals around.

So, tl;dr if you can go the extra £100 980 ti + Gsync is better, if you can't then Fury + Freesync is better than 980 ti and no Gsync.

Just finished work and did some Google searching and very quickly found a site that has tested older drivers against newer drivers for both AMD and NVidia and oddly enough, seems I was quite correct.

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/nvidia-forgotten-kepler-gtx-780-ti-vs-290x-revisited/3/

Most games show a few improvements on the 780Ti - How weird hey but I guess I am naive and a fanboy

Lokken86 · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:30

nashathedog said:
No, I'm a bit nervous about trying.

Don't be man there is a bios switch if it doesn't work.

spikerules · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:36

Gregster said:
Just finished work and did some Google searching and very quickly found a site that has tested older drivers against newer drivers for both AMD and NVidia and oddly enough, seems I was quite correct.

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/nvidia-forgotten-kepler-gtx-780-ti-vs-290x-revisited/3/

Most games show a few improvements on the 780Ti - How weird hey but I guess I am naive and a fanboy

And here is a video from a guy you, yourself have posted videos from on this very forum within the last week...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...hows-nvidia-gpus-losing-performance-32925136/

I mean just google "Nvidia planned obsolescence" brings up hundreds of posts. Wow and to think I took your posts seriously once upon a time. I would suggest people that come to this forum in the future take what some people here say with a pinch of salt (even me!) and do their own research. The information here in this forum is tainted by fanboys.

LoadsaMoney · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:39

Neither of those, id take the newer 1070.

Relentless81 · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:46

spikerules said:
The information here in this forum is tainted by fanboys.

Never take everything you read on here as gospel, fanboyism is rife and makes real buying decisions difficult, take what everyone is saying and then spend time reading into each opinion, then form you own.

I wouldnt buy anything based on comments in the GPU forum, look at the 4GB post above mine (edited out) yet go off onto the rest of internet and do your own research and it seems it isnt as much as a problem as is being made out with regards to HBM memory

Gregster · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:50

spikerules said:
And here is a video from a guy you, yourself have posted videos from on this very forum within the last week...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...hows-nvidia-gpus-losing-performance-32925136/

I mean just google "Nvidia planned obsolescence" brings up hundreds of posts. Wow and to think I took your posts seriously once upon a time. I would suggest people that come to this forum in the future take what some people here say with a pinch of salt (even me!) and do their own research. The information here in this forum is tainted by fanboys.

So you disregard that article because you don't like it and would rather stick to that guy who is fair and unbiased? And then you call out people for being fanboys.... Ermmm ok

Feel free to pop me on ignore btw. That way you don't have to read anything you might not like

spikerules · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:51

Relentless81 said:
Never take everything you read on here as gospel, fanboyism is rife and makes real buying decisions difficult, take what everyone is saying and then spend time reading into each opinion, then form you own.

I wouldnt buy anything based on comments in the GPU forum, look at the 4GB post above mine (edited out) yet go off onto the rest of internet and do your own research and it seems it isnt as much as a problem as is being made out with regards to HBM memory

Yup I saw that comment. My 4GB Nano HBM is holding up extremely well. I agree with your comment and it is one of the very few educated comments I have come by on this forum in a long time!