970 3.5GB 'Ramgate' - NVIDIA ordered to pay $30 to each owner

Marine-RX179 · 29 Jul 2016 at 06:53

Blackjack Davy said:
So thats why the price gouging on the new cards is happening. Got to pay the compensation and lawyers fees somehow!

pffff...you made it sound like Nvidia needed a reason to price gouge. They will do whatever they want, and there's no reason required

Andygully · 29 Jul 2016 at 07:39

I read Nvidia made a settlement offer of $30?

james.miller · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:06

pete910 said:
I would have said HDD manufactures, gets my goat tbh, go get one of those 5tb drives and you'll see what I mean

I've lost half a tb before I've even partitioned/formatted it

Hard drive manufacturers dont lie; Microsoft measures the space differently. Go put that drive in a mac and you'll see what the manufactures are telling you. It's Microsoft who are wrong, if anything.

Anyway, i said nVidia screwed the pooch with the ROP count. Half of that lawsuit seems to be based on that, which is ridiculous. Yes nVidia lied about the ROP count, but so what? who buys a card based on the number of ROPs anyway? 65 / 64...12, makes no difference, we all buy the cards based on the performance numbers, not the finer technical points. The ROPs weren't the bottle neck in the 970 design anyway so having 56 instead of 64 probably did diddly squat.

I'm all for nVidia getting spanked for false advertising, but I'm finding it real hard to see how the ROP saga has put consumers out and i'm finding it impossible to justify why they should be compensated for it.

But, again, 'Merica.

Gregster · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:12

My 970 performed brilliantly for the record. I was actually surprised at how well it performed. It also performed just as well after all this came out and as per usual, the most vocal in this thread are AMD owners... Go figure

Griffildur · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:14

Gregster said:
My 970 performed brilliantly for the record. I was actually surprised at how well it performed. It also performed just as well after all this came out and as per usual, the most vocal in this thread are AMD owners... Go figure

some things never change, but on the plus side the forums were a lot better in the past few days. Some of the "suspects" have not posted and as a result we had more interesting discussions, on topic for a change.

Marine-RX179 · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:33

Gregster said:
My 970 performed brilliantly for the record. I was actually surprised at how well it performed. It also performed just as well after all this came out and as per usual, the most vocal in this thread are AMD owners... Go figure

No offense, but whilst you are tired "AMD" "owners" talking about Nvidia's wrong doing, I am equally tired of people keep using 970's performance for justifying Nvidia's action of mis-advertising/lying about the spec; what it says on the box is not what the buyer gets...it is as simply as that.

"4GB GDDR5 memory"- the 970 has 3.5GB of that;
"256-bit memory bus"- the 970 has 224bit bus+ 32bit bus

The performance is not what's written on the box, it is the spec.

Wrinkly · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:43

Gregster said:
My 970 performed brilliantly for the record. I was actually surprised at how well it performed. It also performed just as well after all this came out and as per usual, the most vocal in this thread are AMD owners... Go figure

But at the same time you struggle to get AMD cards working and need a few goes at videos ... Go figure

r7slayer · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:44

People who keep banging on saying 970 performed great looks like defending in my eyes. Obviously nVidia have been caught with there pants down now taking a spanking and having to pay but people brushing it off like nope not a problem 970 was fine. Just... priceless. If you think 970 was fine don't claim the 30 dollars then other wise your a hypocrite.

nVidia have to pay out as they wrongly advertised the card as a full 4GB GDDR5 card when infact it is 3.5 GDDR5 no matter how many people say its full 4gb. nope its a full 3.5 with slower memory. And people did find problems with it but once again people will brush it off like nVidia done no wrong well my 970 was great. Good for you but nVidia still done wrong and for once i am glad they are getting punished for it as they need to learn a lesson.

I am also well aware i look a hypocrite saying this as i own a 980Ti but it is exactly how i feel.

Gregster · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:49

Marine-RX179 said:
No offense, but whilst you are tired "AMD" "owners" talking about Nvidia's wrong doing, I am equally tired of people keep using 970's performance for justifying Nvidia's action of mis-advertising/lying about the spec; what it says on the box is not what the buyer gets...it is as simply as that.

"4GB GDDR5 memory"- the 970 has 3.5GB of that;
"256-bit memory bus"- the 970 has 224bit bus+ 32bit bus

The performance is not what's written on the box, it is the spec.

Well if you are that tired, I am sure you will be putting a claim in.

DarkMatter · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:49

I am surprised there is not more backlash about this from the tech community. I can't imagine Nvidia didn't know what they where doing when they designed the cards...

I wonder if Nvidia said from the beginning it had 3.5 GDDR5 it would have made any difference to sales or not?

meldarthx · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:51

Mayh3M said:
It's the correct decision. I don't believe Nvidia intentionally misled people but that's altogether irrelevant to the fact that consumers were misinformed about what exactly it was they were buying.

Real world difference was negligible though, but the longevity of the card probably does suffer.

BS Of course Nvidia knew exactly what they are doing - they again got caught; they no regard for their customers at all. They do it time after time; yet people still defend them.

The list is becoming a mile long

Gregster · 29 Jul 2016 at 08:51

Wrinkly said:
But at the same time you struggle to get AMD cards working and need a few goes at videos ... Go figure

Not really, I had issues with the 480 but if you want to criticise me, that's cool and knock yourself out. I am very amateurish and do it for fun and pay for everything I review. I work very long hours, have a family and also other hobbies. I try hard though

Davanius · 29 Jul 2016 at 09:01

Gregster said:
Not really, I had issues with the 480 but if you want to criticise me, that's cool and knock yourself out. I am very amateurish and do it for fun and pay for everything I review. I work very long hours, have a family and also other hobbies. I try hard though

Don't let them knock you down Gregster.

They should all be used to you by now.

nomadd · 29 Jul 2016 at 09:09

Griffildur said:
well, I still have my 970, if a refund in UK ever happens, I won't say no to it

I'd happily accept a 1070 as a replacement plus $10 for all the "pain and suffering" I've gone through.

Seriously, my MSI 970 has been a cracking card. And it will see me through for many years to come - especially with the lack of good games on the PC and the currently insane pricing levels on the newer stuff. All praise 1080p gaming.

james.miller · 29 Jul 2016 at 09:17

r7slayer said:
People who keep banging on saying 970 performed great looks like defending in my eyes. Obviously nVidia have been caught with there pants down now taking a spanking and having to pay but people brushing it off like nope not a problem 970 was fine. Just... priceless. If you think 970 was fine don't claim the 30 dollars then other wise your a hypocrite.

a hypocrite for turning down free money, really?

people who say the 970 performed great or to expectations or whatever have not condoned nVidia's actions. Quite the opposite, they fully deserve to be spanked for it. So no, it's not defending in any sense of the word. What it is, is ignoring all the bull and focusing on why we bought the cards in the first place - the performance.

nVidia have to pay out as they wrongly advertised the card as a full 4GB GDDR5 card when infact it is 3.5 GDDR5 no matter how many people say its full 4gb. nope its a full 3.5 with slower memory. And people did find problems with it but once again people will brush it off like nVidia done no wrong well my 970 was great. Good for you but nVidia still done wrong and for once i am glad they are getting punished for it as they need to learn a lesson.

I am also well aware i look a hypocrite saying this as i own a 980Ti but it is exactly how i feel.

Nope, all wrong.

tommybhoy · 29 Jul 2016 at 09:44

According to Tim@Pcper:

it may not be exactly the $30 per buyer payout as that amount still needs to be approved by the courts to ensure that it is "fair and reasonable."

Could be more, doubt it could be less. :eek:

james.miller said:
Nope, all wrong.

That's dumb, the payout is a direct consequence of people complaining because some had performance issues in the first place, because Nv lied about the specs, they pay the price.

james.miller · 29 Jul 2016 at 10:15

tommybhoy said:
That's dumb, the payout is a direct consequence of people complaining because some had performance issues in the first place, because Nv lied about the specs, they pay the price.

edit:misunderstood
dumb? I'm not not talking about the memory nonsense, im talking about this specifically:

And people did find problems with it but once again people will brush it off like nVidia done no wrong well my 970 was great

Not one person has 'brushed it off'. not on these forums anyway.

glenimp617 · 29 Jul 2016 at 10:27

Toss3 said:
So did the missing 0.5Gb actually make one iota of a difference? No? Move along then.

Would you mind trusting me your date of purchase and order number please. I could with an extra $30 :cool:

r7slayer · 29 Jul 2016 at 10:48

james.miller said:
a hypocrite for turning down free money, really?

people who say the 970 performed great or to expectations or whatever have not condoned nVidia's actions. Quite the opposite, they fully deserve to be spanked for it. So no, it's not defending in any sense of the word. What it is, is ignoring all the bull and focusing on why we bought the cards in the first place - the performance.

Nope, all wrong.

Yea if you think the 970 was fine and want to defend it as nothing was wrong then your going to take money as a reimbursement? Yes your a hypocrite.
And it's most likely not free money as you paid for a full 4GB GDDR5 card but only got 3.5 GDDR5. Only because nVidia threw out a driver update which made it fill the slower memory with OS GUI and other less bandwidth intensive stuff they claimed to have fixed everything and everyone moved along while infact they just stuck gaffer tape over the leaking hole to stop it leaking. Hardly call it fixed. More bodged. But at least it worked fine ey? Lets all move along though however like ppl keep saying. lol.

Put it this way. The only reason that nVidia are having to pay out is becuase of all the voices of unhappy people. They got this reimbursement to happen not all these 970 is fine folks. lol.

Ayahuasca · 29 Jul 2016 at 10:51

Small dent in the green destroyer, unfortunately the punishment is tiny.