Circumstances are a little different but not hugely - one killed his wife, tried to kill his kids but couldn't go through with it then tried to kill himself the other went on a frenzied knife attack on his ex-girlfriend who survived (but has multiple times tried to kill police and prison staff).
Lol at life sentences
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Circumstances are a little different but not hugely - one killed his wife, tried to kill his kids but couldn't go through with it then tried to kill himself the other went on a frenzied knife attack on his ex-girlfriend who survived (but has multiple times tried to kill police and prison staff).
Just to make things clear.
You are saying that the stigma of having a life sentence after release is the same as serving your natural life incarcerated ?
Yet weirdly we use the outcome to determine the sentence in say car incidients.
Causing injury through danagerous driving will get you a lesser sentence than death by dangerous driving even if it was exactly the same circumstances and crash but one died and rhe other did not
This is the guy you think gets a raw deal for Attempted Murder when he didn't kill his girlfriend?
Many people get out on parole which tends to be considerably less time than "til you die" but they need to convince people at the hearing of their remorse and that they have got a grip of the behaviour and state of mind which got them in there.
You're not painting a great picture of a guy done wrong.
I don't consider it a raw deal (as I've mentioned before he is one of the most dangerous prisoners in the UK) - just interesting how different the sentencing is.
Yes the US Prison system is totally more sensible, handy for those evil overlords that live for over 200 years.
Yes it's not consistent in the sense of death being important.
But it differs from murder/attempted murder (which you could be charged with if using a vehicle as a weapon) in that the intent was not to murder.
How guilty someones mind is, is considered very relevant.
You could be locked up for life on Attempted Murder having harmed no one on the basis of your actions of preparation and evidence of malicious thoughts, most likely with a side helping of not coming across as a stable person in your trial.
I think there are those amongst us then that feel sentence should be the custody, not the time there is a license apon you.
indeterminate prison sentence was an even worse idea. 900 prisoners on this tariff, some with much minor crimes than murder etc yet you have ended up with people still inside after 8 years for gbh where the original minimum tariff was 18 months.
8 years is a much more appropriate sentence for GBH than 18 months imo.
Those people don't understand what it means, and what they feel is irrelevant.
there is nothing sensible about the American system, sad state of affairs people want to degrade our legal system even further to a system we know doesn't work and know scientifically why it doesn't work. but lets all ignore facts and get back to baying for blood. like those countries most in here are so in horror about, yet want to implement similar stuff.
Doesnt take away the point that people have had less for killing somebody and bearing in mind he still isnt free after 8 years.
That would be like a 16 year sentence with parole after 8 years.
Or are you suggesting the minimum term for gbh should be 16+ years now?
Are you saying he's failing his parole or he's not allowed a parole.
To be honest that's probably for a good reason. Depending on the nature of the crime I would say that 16 years could be an appropriate sentence for GBH.
IIRC he's locked up until he can prove he's not a danger to the public if he was released. Presumably he's been unable to demonstrate that as of yet.
Its weird the IPP. You can only be released when the IPP board assesses you and deem you are no longer a danger to public.
In 2007 the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court ruled that the continued incarceration of prisoners serving IPPs after tariff expiry where the prisons lack the facilities and courses required to assess their suitability for release was unlawful.
So you have 9000 people locked up for potentially the whole of their lives and some prisons have no means to assess them to release them.
And conversely you have people put inside for fixed terms for lessor crimes.
Again GBH is normally around 36 months so potentially release after 18 months.
SO are you saying the law should be changed so GBH is now 16+ years?
That's fine but still doesn't change the fact that two people can commit the same crime and one gets 3 years and the other gets life potentially.
I think this would be correct as no two crimes are identical. I don't really like the top-down imposition of sentencing by government, I'd prefer to see competent judges given a lot more discretion about sentencing. IMO a thug who beats the daylights out of someone for looking at his girlfriend a bit funny should get a longer sentence than someone who snaps in a domestic argument and murders their partner. The former represents a much larger threat to the public.