Poll: Feminism and relationships

[twist3d0n3]

We cannot make an informed decision without pics.

 

[Gornall]

Then that company should look at why their workforce is only 10% female...

There can be quite a lot of genuine reasons for such a skew.

Don't get many women on trawler boats for example. Even something much lower key like software development jobs etc heavily skew towards a male workforce just because of differences in interest.

I'm all for equality, but not positive discrimination. The fact companies feel they have to recruit from certain genders, ethnicity etc is ridiculous. I get the sentiment, but there are better ways to ensure fair representation. Giving a person a job because it looks better on your equality audit is silly in the real world. Understanding the on average women make better 'X' and Men make better 'Y'.

 

[twist3d0n3]

There's nothing worse than a Male Feminist. They're the type who's kids have double barelled names. They think they're promoting equality but really they're just the submissive partner in the relationship. I used to be a bit of a push over when I was younger with women, none of those relationships worked out. Now I hold my own and wear the trousers in the relationship it's gone strong for 5 years, I just feel it's what works best.

e: wow Cuculidae are censored? xD

 

[TheBDog]

There's nothing worse than a Male Feminist. They're the type who's kids have double barelled names. They think they're promoting equality but really they're just the submissive partner in the relationship. I used to be a bit of a push over when I was younger with women, none of those relationships worked out. Now I hold my own and wear the trousers in the relationship it's gone strong for 5 years, I just feel it's what works best.

So you think that relationships are either you're the push over or they are? If that's the case then I sympathise for your partner. I'm not a pushover but I also don't need to try to prove how large my **** is every 5 minutes by making her feel like ****. But if that's what you think works best...

 

[Maverick2332]

I'm all for equality, but not positive discrimination. The fact companies feel they have to recruit from certain genders, ethnicity etc is ridiculous. I get the sentiment, but there are better ways to ensure fair representation. Giving a person a job because it looks better on your equality audit is silly in the real world. Understanding the on average women make better 'X' and Men make better 'Y'.

Agreed.

There's nothing positive about discrimination.

 

[VincentHanna]

There are lots of industries with a male bios. I used to work for an engineering company specializing in metalwork/welding.

118 employees. Mix in the office was 50/50 male/female. On the shopfloor it was 100% male. Why is that the fault of the company that there are no women ever applying to be a welder?

Said it for me thanks.

Helpdesks I've worked on in the past have been mostly male with perhaps 1 out of 20 being female. Is it the companys responsibility to change this? This is reflected in the number of women applying in the first place surely?

There can be quite a lot of genuine reasons for such a skew.

Don't get many women on trawler boats for example. Even something much lower key like software development jobs etc heavily skew towards a male workforce just because of differences in interest.

I'm all for equality, but not positive discrimination. The fact companies feel they have to recruit from certain genders, ethnicity etc is ridiculous. I get the sentiment, but there are better ways to ensure fair representation. Giving a person a job because it looks better on your equality audit is silly in the real world. Understanding the on average women make better 'X' and Men make better 'Y'.

Those 3 replies conveniently left out the bit where I stated "Depending on what this hypothetical company does..."

The question was: Why should a (hypothetical) company with a 90/10 male/female split choose 50% of women for boardroom positions?

My Argument - They should look at why only 10% of women are employed.



How is a Welder or Helpdesk bod or Fisherman going to be a candidate for a boardroom position?

 

[Greebo]

Here's one feminist I disagree with and think her opinion is dangerous.

Sexual Assault Awareness Program coordinator at Dartmouth Amanda Childress said that campuses aren’t going far enough to protect students who claim they are sexually assaulted. She asked: “Why could we not expel a student based on an allegation?“

So men are punished based on allegations and not proven guilty now?

 

[wildman]

I bet you're one of those people who hold a door open when the other person is still 20 meters away. You're the worst.

exactly this, making me run and sweat my own sweat, it's a disgrace....

 

[Greebo]

Those 3 replies conveniently left out the bit where I stated "Depending on what this hypothetical company does..."

The question was: Why should a (hypothetical) company with a 90/10 male/female split choose 50% of women for boardroom positions?

My Argument - They should look at why only 10% of women are employed.



How is a Welder or Helpdesk bod or Fisherman going to be a candidate for a boardroom position?

People were promoted from the shopfloor to management level in the 12 years i worked there. In the office most of the women were administration and management was mainly male due to the fact they had been promoted form a 100% male pool.

So that company should ignore men with decades of skills and experience and effort they put into the company and employ females from outside to keep a 50/50 balance then?

 

[boxman2000]

That's not what feminism promotes these days.

Exactly.

I certainly wouldn't break up over her views but I would stand your ground on your own views - if it winds her up then that's her problem. If it became a bigger issue between you then yes, probably 3.

Winds me up when you hear FTSE100 companies forced to have 25% women on their boards and now pushes for 50%, what next? 50% LBGwhatevertheacronym/minority which then pushes men out of the picture?

Yes there are companies that have the old boys club nature about it but there are plenty that don't but legally forcing a company to have a minimum number of women at a senior level is not going to benefit the company in the long term as in my 20 years’ experience in finance, most women don't want the responsibility/pressure that comes with senior roles as they have families they want to look after etc.

Also the pay issue, I work in corporate finance so see pay scales and to be honest I don’t see a great deal of difference between men/women pay – mostly women do get 5-10% less but there again most of the women I have worked with require flexible hours to look after children, non-standard working hours for school runs and negotiated longer holidays in the summer to have with their children. I appreciate this may not be overly common but I have seen this in at least 3-4 large companies. That isn’t to mention maternity pay which for smaller companies in particular can really deal a big blow financially – where I work now there were three children born in last 10 years which equates to 1 year of staff on full pay whilst not generating money for a company (4 months full pay per child). That was a sizeable percentage drop of a smaller companies turnover.

 

[VincentHanna]

Here's one feminist I disagree with and think her opinion is dangerous.

Sexual Assault Awareness Program coordinator at Dartmouth Amanda Childress said that campuses aren’t going far enough to protect students who claim they are sexually assaulted. She asked: “Why could we not expel a student based on an allegation?“

So men are punished based on allegations and not proven guilty now?

Googled it - Story from 2014 and one of the first hits was thevoiceofmen.com

If she did say that, then you are correct that it is an opinion, but not a dangerous one.

Why? Because any right-minded individual can see that expelling somebody because of an unsubstantiated claim would be stupid.

Did 'Dartmouth' change their policy at all because of her opinion?

 

[RaohNS]

Googled it - Story from 2014 and one of the first hits was thevoiceofmen.com

If she did say that, then you are correct that it is an opinion, but not a dangerous one.

Why? Because any right-minded individual can see that expelling somebody because of an unsubstantiated claim would be stupid.

Did 'Dartmouth' change their policy at all because of her opinion?

I'm sorry but how does that opinion not be a dangerous one? A woman is in charge of a funded organisation. Her opinion carries weight.

Just curious

 

[Roar87]

So you think that relationships are either you're the push over or they are? If that's the case then I sympathise for your partner. I'm not a pushover but I also don't need to try to prove how large my **** is every 5 minutes by making her feel like ****. But if that's what you think works best...

It's nothing like that, good luck to any man who thinks they could push about my girlfriend. It's just if she's being out of order I'll tell her she is. Generally I make a lot of the decisions - not in a negative sense but I tend to do a lot of research on things, like where to go on holiday, and what we need to save for financially each month. We're both happy with how things are, as opposed to other relationships where women are clearly dissatisfied at having a weak man who can't make decisions or stand up for himself.

 

[Gilly]

I can't find any reference to Theresa May stating she wanted a 50/50 split cabinet. Either my Google skills are failing (most likely) or you've made that up to suit your agenda. Can you provide a source?

I do remember that making up part of one of her first speeches. I've been working on intra-company gender equality and it stuck out like a sore thumb as one of the mistakes the internal network made before I came on board.

 

[VincentHanna]

I'm sorry but how does that opinion not be a dangerous one? A woman is in charge of a funded organisation. Her opinion carries weight.

Just curious

It's a stupid one, not a dangerous one.

'Sexual Assault Awareness Program coordinator' doesn't sound like she has much power to change policy to me.

Why are people dredging up one random woman from 2 years ago who raised a question at a debate and quickly got shut down by panelists

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/12/disagreement-campus-judicial-systems

She's hardly Angela Merkel...

 

[Efour]

Is this forum getting more cliche every week or what?
Live somewhere where men and women are treated fairly equally in the workplace across all levels and professions. It's mind blowing for a while but then you realize it makes complete sense.

As for your relationship, only you can decide. if you want a bunch of strangers to judge that for you then maybe you are not very emotionally and mentally mature yourself.

Ladz! am irite?

 

[doofer]

Those 3 replies conveniently left out the bit where I stated "Depending on what this hypothetical company does..."

The question was: Why should a (hypothetical) company with a 90/10 male/female split choose 50% of women for boardroom positions?

My Argument - They should look at why only 10% of women are employed.



How is a Welder or Helpdesk bod or Fisherman going to be a candidate for a boardroom position?

You're saying women only want the 'Top' Jobs, well guess what, the 'Top' Jobs are not awarded on whether or not you have a penis or a vagina, they are awarded on merit, never on the premise of a quota to fill and should never be forced to be by any Legislation.

Feminists don't want 'Equality' they want better treatment than men, that is not equality. Women are arguably better off than any man already - Same pay for less work and don't get me started on the way women are punished by the Legal System far less punitively than men for similar Crimes they commit. They just want more.

 

[RaohNS]

That's fine that she was shut down but this is a big thing. We saw the same with the racist and sexist remarks from the student union rep who then refused to apologise and said she couldn't be racist because she was not white and a woman.

Co-ordinator is the defining word in what weight her statement carried. Had a bloke done that his new job title would be: Unemployed

 

[TheBDog]

It's nothing like that, good luck to any man who thinks they could push about my girlfriend. It's just if she's being out of order I'll tell her she is. Generally I make a lot of the decisions - not in a negative sense but I tend to do a lot of research on things, like where to go on holiday, and what we need to save for financially each month. We're both happy with how things are, as opposed to other relationships where women are clearly dissatisfied at having a weak man who can't make decisions or stand up for himself.

The point of having equality in a relationship isn't dissimilar to the first part of what you're saying. Nobody should be imposing their opinion on either side of a relationship. The point of a balanced relationship is that you both tell it how it is.

If you think your other half is 'being out of order' then you tell them. Just so long as you're not bothered when they tell you when you're being out of order then you're onto the right track as far as I'm concerned.

Naturally, if you disagree on tons of fundamental issues then you probably shouldn't be together. But that's not got a lot to do with how strong or weak you are.

Also, I disagree that you have to all of the decisions to 'prove your strength'. But then, again, if you're in the right relationship then you can both tell each other when the other is making the wrong decision.

I'm sure there are people dissatisfied in relationships with their other half for many reasons. For the record, I'm a feminist but my OH is pretty indifferent. And me being a feminist doesn't have any bearing on our relationship.

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SOME Feminists don't want 'Equality' they want better treatment than men, that is not equality. Women are arguably better off than any man already - Same pay for less work and don't get me started on the way women are punished by the Legal System far less punitively than men for similar Crimes they commit. They just want more.

FTFY

 

[VincentHanna]

For the record, I'm a feminist but my OH is pretty indifferent. And me being a feminist doesn't have any bearing on our relationship.

Same here.

And she doesn't waste time on internet chatrooms like I do

Like I usually say in threads like these, people need to get away from their echo chambers and experience life in the real World.