Belgian police attacked with machete

The 'your' was generic. Terrorism is a rounding error in accident, injury, and death statistics. It does not make us materially less safe. It does not change the fact that Belgium, Germany, France and the UK are some of the safest countries on Earth to live in.

If you want to make that argument then 9/11 was just a rounding error of the 2.4 million deaths in the USA in 2001.

What is your definition of safe? Do you have a percentage figure of terrorism related deaths where it becomes 'unsafe'?
 
Just trying to understand your logic - Are you saying that only someone directly effected by an event should be bothered by it?

No, I'm saying we should temper our reaction to terrorism to the real level of threat it represents instead of helping them achieve their aims by hysterically over-reacting.
 
More violence relating to Islam.

*waiting for the lefty backlash now who can't accept that Islam is bad:o:o*
 
*waiting for the lefty backlash now who can't accept that Islam is bad:o:o*

Well, we've had the righty venting of paranoia and hate.
A non-lethal attack connected to Islam in Belgium gets a thread, a murder in Britain not connected to Islam gets no mention.

Islam is bad only in that you may consider that all religion is bad.
There has been and is much terrible human abuse and violence done in the name of Islam. As much as reasonably can be done to respond to that should be done. But there are also a large proportion of muslims of would consider the people responsible for those things as much to do with them as, for instance, most Catholics would think that they have to do with sex abusing priests.

A loony middle eastern grouping has called on all Muslims to rise and kill as many Westerners as possible. This has shaken some nuts out of the bag, and more will happen. But I believe that moderate Muslims should be respected and they would be in the best position to steer others away from the influence of extremist propaganda.
 
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Well, we've had the righty venting of paranoia and hate.
People are getting sick of Islam and it's baggage, and it's not just the mythical far-right.
A non-lethal attack connected to Islam in Belgium gets a thread, a murder in Britain not connected to Islam gets no mention.
One is part of a wider trend.

Islam is bad only in that you may consider that all religion is bad.
Cobblers. I don't see weekly mass murders by Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, Christians across western Europe.
A loony middle eastern grouping has called on all Muslims to rise and kill as many Westerners as possible.
And an innordinate amount are responding.
But I believe that moderate Muslims should be respected and they would be in the best position to steer others away from the influence of extremist propaganda.
Really? Try getting an average Muslim to admit that Islam played even the slightest part in this.
 
What is your definition of safe? Do you have a percentage figure of terrorism related deaths where it becomes 'unsafe'?

I'd start being worried about it when it became more likely to be killed by a terrorist than struck by lightening. Or killed in a road accident. Until then it won't affect my life, in the same way that I don't stop using the roads.
 
I'm not sure that is going to make much difference, security forces are already rather keen to try and stop this sort of thing already. So long as there are a large group of people with the potential to be radicalised and so long as there are groups out there promoting a radical/fundamentalist interpretation of Islam then we'll carry on getting these attacks.

At the moment, they're treating the symptoms. A successful attack on the establishment is need before they'll go after the disease.
 
At the moment, they're treating the symptoms. A successful attack on the establishment is need before they'll go after the disease.

Agreed there has been no large scale attack on Europe ever and until we see some sort of European 9/11 nothing will change. The continual pussyfooting around and desperation to label every terrorist a nutter rather than a terrorist is not helping.
 
At the moment, they're treating the symptoms. A successful attack on the establishment is need before they'll go after the disease.

What exactly would you consider a 'successful' attack on 'the establishment' to be exactly? Is flying a plane into the Pentagon not sufficient for you? As if the security forces have only been taking a half arsed approach to terrorism so far but will suddenly try so much harder if 'the establishment' is attacked in some other way.
 
What exactly would you consider a 'successful' attack on 'the establishment' to be exactly? Is flying a plane into the Pentagon not sufficient for you? As if the security forces have only been taking a half arsed approach to terrorism so far but will suddenly try so much harder if 'the establishment' is attacked in some other way.
i belive he means that the force and wcope of operwtions would expand dramatically if we had a bunch of dead politicians playing on ourbleaders mind in a "i could be next" fashion.
 
Agreed there has been no large scale attack on Europe ever and until we see some sort of European 9/11 nothing will change.

In which case it's death by a thousand cuts.

The M.O. of terrorists is not something out of a Tom Clancy novel anymore. It's no longer plane hijackings and embassy bombings, but soft targets at a high volume.
 
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