Suicide Squad (2016)

I highlighted it for you in that quote, sorry it may have not been that obvious - unless you dont think that qualifies as 'Deadpool inspired'?

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Deadpool (Miller, 2016) was funny though :p, and well produced, directed, written, shot...

How much inspiration are we talking? ;).
 
Tummy said:
Deadpool (Miller, 2016) was funny though :p, and well produced, directed, written, shot...

How much inspiration are we talking? ;).
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Well thats kinda my point, if the people behind the DCEU need to look past BvS reactions to reshoot/recut, then they arent the right people for the job. I just dont see exactly how Deadpool is being implicated other than coincidence, is there some Deadpool trope that Suicide Squad employs?!? It seems a poorly made argument which is why I originally asked if there was some statement that confirm this supposition.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
The problem is that you're interpreting it as meaning that we're saying they tried to make it like Deadpool.
That's not what's being said. You're taking it too literally or absolutely.

All that's being said is that they tried to lighten the tone and edit it as a reaction to DP and the BvS reception. It just didn't work as well as they wanted.
 
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The problem is that you're interpreting it as meaning that we're saying they tried to make it like Deadpool.
That's not what's being said. You're taking it too literally or absolutely.

All that's being said is that they tried to lighten the tone and edit it as a reaction to DP and the BvS reception. It just didn't work as well as they wanted.
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I agree with this; the influence Deadpool had was on the tone of the 'anti heroes', which just... well did not work. Honestly, the DC Universe is awful.

The biggest shame here; is not the quality of the film vs the source material vs the potential, but that this along with the previous film Batman Vs Superman they are making money.

The best thing that could happen is that people stop watching these films, then they can stop murdering some of my childhood.
 
Uncle Petey said:
The problem is that you're interpreting it as meaning that we're saying they tried to make it like Deadpool.
That's not what's being said. You're taking it too literally or absolutely.

All that's being said is that they tried to lighten the tone and edit it as a reaction to DP and the BvS reception. It just didn't work as well as they wanted.
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But Im not though, all Im saying is critics did not like BvS and therefore that was the driving notion to lighten the tone. To use any other influences needs at least some form of backing up otherwise I could absurdly say that Eddie the Eagle caused them to do the same...

Its not that salient.

EDIT: No doubt Im being picky, but my original point was purely on the question 'Why are people referencing Deadpool?'

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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ps3ud0 said:
But Im not though, all Im saying is critics did not like BvS and therefore that was the driving notion to lighten the tone. To use any other influences needs at least some form of backing up otherwise I could absurdly say that Eddie the Eagle caused them to do the same...

Its not that salient.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Wait, wait, wait... someone liked Batman Vs Superman? :eek:.

The shift in tone is an obvious reflection of the success of Deadpool, However the filmmakers forgot all the other aspects that worked in that film too, and the elements that came together to provide the cultural capital, and quality of the film to be where it was.

The tone is totally all over the place in Batman Vs Superman too, in fact it seems to be a trope of the DC Universe so far.
 
While I do understand the criticisms, and do agree with a lot of them, I actually liked it - or can at least take what I like from it and and let slide the things I didn't.
Well, that goes for the 'Ultimate Edition' anyway.

ps3ud0 said:
But Im not though, all Im saying is critics did not like BvS and therefore that was the driving notion to lighten the tone. To use any other influences needs at least some form of backing up otherwise I could absurdly say that Eddie the Eagle caused them to do the same...

Its not that salient.

EDIT: No doubt Im being picky, but my original point was purely on the question 'Why are people referencing Deadpool?'
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Yeah, you are being picky, and yes, using Eddie the Eagle in the same way we're using Deadpool would be absolutely absurd.

Deadpool came out only a couple of months before BvS, was well reviewed and made lots of money. It showed that a more adult themed, yet light hearted comic book movie could do really well.
Couple that with the studio execs bricking it over the horrible reception to the generally miserable/no jokes BvS (not just because it was miserable, mind), and with Suicide Squad carrying a very similar tonal theme (being set in the same extended universe), you can understand why they would then go about trying to 'fix' it at the last minute with reshoots and a lot left on the cutting room floor, along with a very different tone in the marketing.

So yeah, it's not all about a reaction to the success of Deadpool, but I'd say it had a fair bit to do with it.
As mentioned earlier, DP is also about a comic book anti-hero.
 
Another point is the studio's also forced more scenes of Batman in to the Suicide Squad on the back of the success of the character. Deadpool and the small positives from Batman Vs Superman forced the studio to intervene.

I honestly think that unless the Justice League adaptation is one of the greatest comic book adaptations evs, then it might be good to let this franchise die. Leaves the possibility of restarting it with competent people.

(@petey, I know I am harsh on the DC Universe, but thats for three reasons; firstly I love the material - Batman is the most interesting, and imho one of the absolute best superheros of all time, so to see him treated like this annoys me, especially after Nolan. Secondly; the source material is excellent - part of why MARVEL's films work, you have such good source to adapt from and this is what we get? Finally, just the quality of the films is exceptionally poor when you consider the money available, source texts, the quality of the MARVEL films has spoilt me tbh. The character of Batman in Batman Vs Superman was good, as was the fight between the two (although not why they stopped fighting) and it is so sad to see these characters, plots just wasted.)
 
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Saw it tonight.

The second post credits scene was flipping awesome and I was waiting the whole movie for that.

you know the one where the credits finally stop rolling, the screen goes blank and you can actually leave the flaming cinema because until that point, you are stuck in the corner at the back and no one wanted to move from their seats next to you on your whole row and also the row in front
 
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(@Petey, I know I am harsh on the DC Universe, but thats for three reasons; firstly I love the material - Batman is the most interesting, and imho one of the absolute best superheros of all time, so to see him treated like this annoys me, especially after Nolan. Secondly; the source material is excellent - part of why MARVEL's films work, you have such good source to adapt from and this is what we get? Finally, just the quality of the films is exceptionally poor when you consider the money available, source texts, the quality of the MARVEL films has spoilt me tbh. The character of Batman in Batman Vs Superman was good, as was the fight between the two (although not why they stopped fighting) and it is so sad to see these characters, plots just wasted.)
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I totally agree.
Even though I could take enough of what I liked to make me just about give it a pass, I still think it was a terribly wasted opportunity and should've been way better.
 
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Saw it tonight.

The second post credits scene was flipping awesome and I was waiting the whole movie for that.

you know the one where the credits finally stop rolling, the screen goes blank and you can actually leave the flaming cinema because until that point, you are stuck in the corner at the back and no one wanted to move from their seats next to you on your whole row and also the row in front
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I missed that one, never mind !
 
Saw it last night. It's not as bad as many are making out imo but definitely nothing special and bit of a wasted opportunity. Man of Steel, for me, was far worse and the lowest point. BVS was better and I'd probably rate that a tad higher than Suicide Squad but not much in it either way.

Worst aspect for me was overuse of contemporary music in scene after scene. Clearly an attempt to sell a soundtrack album like with Guardians of the Galaxy. It felt overdone at times and the tracks took a lot away from the immersion.

Definitely needed more Joker and perhaps a better enemy / threat. Don't think it deserves the mysognistic card thrown at it either. Seemed well handled to me in that regard.
 
I know people bashed Bale a little but Nolan's Batman caught the tone of DC perfectly, that it is dark, ****** and uncompromising and there is nothing wrong with that. The big mistake was (as I have said before) getting Snyder and his puerile kiddy T&A take on all comics which lessens the impact of the films. That and the fact he thinks all comic book fans want is big explosions, yes they are needed but they should not remove the need for character interaction or good story.

Be all and end all of DC's problems is Snyder (he was exec producer on this) I would ditch him and start again but it is a ballsy move to admit how badly they have messed this up and to just start again.
 
A little off topic I know. But why has no one ever done a Batman that is "the Worlds Greatest Detective" it's always the vigilante, the butt kicker never the genius.
Bale covered the base on the driven character who kicks bottom but never got close to anything resembling detective work and no suggestion of genius.
We haven't seen a lot of Affleck it would be nice to think he could do a more thoughtful character.
 
I would love to see that, some of the detective comics are the best Batman stuff done but cinema these days is big explosions, no time for thoughtful piecing together of a superhero story :p
 
At least in the films; the 'worlds greatest detective' has always been overlooked in the face of the 'worlds deadliest Bat', and that a superhero movie driven primarily by an investigation and character development would struggle as the genre's expectation is that of action adventure.

I would love to see a more in depth character study of the worlds greatest detective and would hate to see it in the cinema. A HBO series, with a suitably big budget exploring Batman's origins - his genius - his rise as the worlds greatest detective - really explore the darker side of modern crime and life - would be excellent. However, it would require a lightness of touch and a writer far and above anything DC have on offer at the minute.

Just imagine, a series where Batman is shown becoming who he is - first episode could just be him in a flashback remembering his childhood and the decisions he made - as he arrives back in Gotham. Following him evolve in to the character after investigating the criminal underworld and following murders/rapists/career criminals - at the end of the series becoming a slightly more 'finished product' - but a Batman that relies on genuine terror and fear tactics and his investigation skills to capture and stalk his prey. It would be excellent and dark and brilliantly psychological.
 
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