Brexit thread - what happens next

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n111ck said:
Yes but a million spoilt ballets would have meaning.

You voted so you are responsible.
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A million spoilt ballots isn't ever going to happen and still doesn't send out a clear message. Why are people spoiling - out of protest, indecision or can't read instructions?

A million people ticking a box saying "I don't believe a referendum is the correct way to decide this issue" or "my preference is not represented here" or suchlike is entirely different, but that option isn't provided.

So yes I voted and take full responsibility for being part of the process. I wasn't going to let my dislike of referendums prevent me from casting my vote against something I strongly disagree with (Brexit) and make it more likely to happen by not voting. I'm sure plenty of people cast their vote one way or the other despite feeling a referendum wasn't an ideal or adequate method. There's been plenty of people saying just that in this thread, on both sides.
 
You can always write in who you think should be leader and that has some legal authority I think even if not an actual candidate. Like Jedi as a religion, yea its nonsense and also it has to be recognised for those who state it as their choice.
Reminds me of the bloke who won the right to wear a spaghetti strainer on his head in his drivers photo, its his religious statement :p


I have heard it said seriously we should remove all these votes, literally your average man should not be voting. Go back to Lord of the manor feudal system.
They'd be no brexit because these big land owners were paid by the EU to do nothing, dont produce food because we'll only have to keep it back from market anyway or however that line of logic works

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rm-subsidies-blatant-transfer-of-cash-to-rich
Iain Duncan Smith, lives on an estate owned by his wife's family. During the last 10 years it has received €1.5m in income support from taxpayers. How much more obvious do these double standards have to be before we begin to notice?

Thanks in large part to subsidies, the value of farmland in the UK has tripled in 10 years: it has risen faster than almost any other speculative asset. Farmers are exempted from inheritance tax and capital gains tax.
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silversurfer said:
You can always write in who you think should be leader and that has some legal authority I think even if not an actual candidate. Like Jedi as a religion, yea its nonsense and also it has to be recognised for those who state it as their choice.
Reminds me of the bloke who won the right to wear a spaghetti strainer on his head in his drivers photo, its his religious statement :p


I have heard it said seriously we should remove all these votes, literally your average man should not be voting. Go back to Lord of the manor feudal system.
They'd be no brexit because these big land owners were paid by the EU to do nothing, dont produce food because we'll only have to keep it back from market anyway or however that line of logic works

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rm-subsidies-blatant-transfer-of-cash-to-rich
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From the same article:

"Since 1999, more progressive European nations have been trying to limit the amount of public money a farmer can capture under the common agricultural policy. It looked as if, this year, they might at last succeed. But throughout the negotiations that ended last week, two governments in particular resisted: those resolute champions of the free market, Germany and the UK. Thanks to their lobbying, any decision has yet again been deferred."

So perhaps once the UK leaves the EU, the EU will be able to isolate Germany on this issue and push through CAP reform.

Ironic huh?
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Im interested in how leavers think we will be better off, please no lies like £350M a week, but genuinely how they feel we will see something better in the UK. Maybe I missed something over the last few years, so I am open to being told what will be guaranteed to be better.
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We will get to set our own laws, suited to our nation and economy.

That alone can mean more than anything else. When you vote in the general election, the party you bring in will truly be fully responsible for what happens.

If we could go back to the EU when it was driven by the common market with some protections in place, I would be all over it.

I'm not opposed to the EU, i'm opposed to the vision they've had over the past 10 years and the direction it is moving in. We had to get out before it was too late.

What's happening in Germany right now, imagine that was forced on us? It's tragic.
 
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Arthur Hucksake said:
We will get to set our own laws, suited to our nation and economy.
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See I actually see that as more a negative than a positive

we have had some seriously daft laws over the years
Part of the reason for the weakening of trade unions IMO is that Europe has typically pushed through the legislation that unions would have done, but its more balanced from the Eu than the uniosn would have wanted.
This simply to my mind may put power back in the hands of unions again who seem to think industrial action is a form of negotiation.
Sure there will be some times we would see an advantage, although when dealing with Europe (eg exporting into Europe) we will have to comply with their laws whether we like it or not.
Will give you a score draw on that one, certainly not a clear simple win from leaving.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
See I actually see that as more a negative than a positive

we have had some seriously daft laws over the years
Part of the reason for the weakening of trade unions IMO is that Europe has typically pushed through the legislation that unions would have done, but its more balanced from the Eu than the uniosn would have wanted.
This simply to my mind may put power back in the hands of unions again who seem to think industrial action is a form of negotiation.
Sure there will be some times we would see an advantage, although when dealing with Europe (eg exporting into Europe) we will have to comply with their laws whether we like it or not.
Will give you a score draw on that one, certainly not a clear simple win from leaving.
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It's not a negative, because if the lawmakers get it wrong we will have the power to sack them. We cannot sack the ones in European Parliament setting the landscape.

I'm not just talking about trade law, i'm talking about all of them.
 
Stolly said:
You have no way of knowing if any of this will be the case.
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Of course it will. If you can vote out the ones who set laws detrimental to the life of the majority, you get to elect others.

Lawmaking will become a strong point in elections again, not just who is best at arguing on TV.

Even in the EU, life was hard and sucked for a lot of people. It can't really get any worse now. The country needed a wake up call and we got it.

We will probably get another huge one if Corbyn gets in. I can honestly see that coming if May carries on with her agenda.
 
Arthur Hucksake said:
It's not a negative, because if the lawmakers get it wrong we will have the power to sack them. We cannot sack the ones in European Parliament setting the landscape.

I'm not just talking about trade law, i'm talking about all of them.
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But we cant sack them quickly, could be they pass terrible laws quickly on taking power. Eg Maggie and the poll tax, what damage was done by that tax...

But give me some example of bad EU rules/law we can quickly repeal on exiting the EU
 
Roar87 said:
Everyone has a right to discuss Politics, it should be more accessible, not less.
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He has essentially undermined his right by opting to talk utter ****e at lot of opportunities in this thread. He clearly doesn't understand what's actually going on here so is resorting to stupid intellectually deficient quips that don't actually mean anything.

Cern said:
Trolling isn't discussing.
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Unfortunately, I don't think he is trolling. I think he actually believes he's having a meaningful input on this topic.
 
Arthur Hucksake said:
Of course it will. If you can vote out the ones who set laws detrimental to the life of the majority, you get to elect others.

Lawmaking will become a strong point in elections again, not just who is best at arguing on TV.
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Sounds good on paper doesn't it? Doesn't really work out like that though. Successive governments only very rarely repeal laws made by previous governments. Perhaps this is because for a long time now the major UK political parties have been fighting over the middle ground. But even should things return to a more polarised left and right, it's likely there still wouldn't be a lot of repealing going on.

I'm sure many will argue that for too long now we've been dominated by EU law and we can't repeal anything coming from Brussels. But the reality is that the UK isn't heavily controlled by EU law. Estimates vary because of the complexity of the situation, but it's generally thought that about 13-15% of UK law is influenced by the EU. So even within the EU the UK is still pretty sovereign and given our opt-outs this was unlikely to change significantly moving forwards.

But hey, if you want to believe that Brexit means a sovereign Britain where we'll be repealing every law we don't like on a regular basis, feel free to dream.

Besides, what terrible EU laws do we need to start by repealing as soon as we're sovereign and 'free' again? I'd genuinely be interested to hear what the main problems are felt to be.
 
Has Fuel duty ever gone down appreciably?

That's a piece of legislation that is detrimental to literally everyone, sure the government can say they use the money wisely... but we all know they just spent it on their bird houses and moats.
 
I wouldn't say fuel duty is detrimental to everyone. With cheap petrol there would be even more cars on the road, with their fumes and longer journey times in large towns / cities.
 
n111ck said:
Wow even the Guardian is publishing articles about how Project Fear was all BS and just seems to have frightened Remain voters only :D

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/brexit-eu-referendum-economy-project-fear
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Hardly. Nothing has happened because, well, nothing has happened yet. Wait till we invoke Article 50. Only then will we see the outcome, though I still fear that Project Fear will become Project Reality. I really do hope not though.

A side note, I spent a couple of days in Amsterdam during the week and spoke to a few locals. All disappointed with us and not one hoping that it might lead them to hold their own referendum. The mood is definitely one of annoyance.
 
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