Brexit thread - what happens next

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StriderX said:
I was mentioning the previous post about governments not changing previous governments legislation, though saying that the EU presided over the most pointless carbon tax (Whatever the hell the carbon market thing was) there's ever been.
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You realise that a lot of the developed world has them, or that even the americans are coming round to the idea now?

The point was to try to encourage high energy using industries to reduce their usage.

I guess the main point is if you believe in global warming, if you do then unfortunately you see the need for a carbon tax to encourage companies to do the right thing. I work for a US owned company, even environmental projects they look for a less than 12 month payback, it doesn't happen basically
 
n111ck said:
Hey keep up the project fear if it makes you feel better about your vote but the Guardian of all papers printing that is way more telling than the opinion of a frightened OC member.
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No, its 'wake up and smell the coffee'. Bexiters are so caught up in their own bubble they refuse to see what is happening. Their latest excuse is 'it was all going to happen, anyway' when talking about the problems. Not frightened, aware.
 
Em3bbs said:
I love all the posts "I went on holiday to Amsterdam and spoke to the locals in a coffee shop"... really??? I don't mean really as did you speak to them, but are we really basing the opinion of Europe on some individuals that may or may not have been spoken to.
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1. 'I love all the posts' Really?
2. Just because I went to Amsterdam, does not mean I went to a Coffee shop to smoke weed.
3. I am not 'we' and am not basing the opinion of the whole of Europe on the conversations I had. That would be totally preposterous. It was merely an observation, but I thought it deserved a mention.
 
do_ron_ron said:
No, its 'wake up and smell the coffee'. Bexiters are so caught up in their own bubble they refuse to see what is happening. Their latest excuse is 'it was all going to happen, anyway' when talking about the problems. Not frightened, aware.
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The Guardian is Brexiter?!!!!!!!:eek::D

Bizarre world when people get annoyed at bad things not happening.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37129715

Simply don't know what to make of some of the statements in this article.

Now rumors are coming from Downing street that the UK doesn't even want to be in the common market.

"As prime minister Theresa May said, "Brexit means Brexit". And with many voters deciding to vote Leave to keep "our money" and to reduce immigration, the price of membership of the single market would be unacceptably high. "

I don't remember any question on the ballot about leaving the EEA but this now seems to be on the cards as well.

Most forums I read people were happy with the common market but didn't want political union.

I wonder how many of the 34% of the public who voted leave wanted to leave the EEA as well?

I sure hope the UK knows what it's doing.
 
n111ck said:
The Guardian is Brexiter?!!!!!!!:eek::D

Bizarre world when people get annoyed at bad things not happening.
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Different journalists write for different papers and have different opinions on different subjects. Hope that clears it up.

jas72 said:
I wonder how many of the 34% of the public who voted leave wanted to leave the EEA as well?

I sure hope the UK knows what it's doing.
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I imagine a not insignificant number of people would be happy for "Brexit means Brexit" to mean all regulatory ties with the EU to be broken, and if that results in London suffering then would likely consider it a bonus.
 
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jas72 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37129715

Simply don't know what to make of some of the statements in this article.

Now rumors are coming from Downing street that the UK doesn't even want to be in the common market.

"As prime minister Theresa May said, "Brexit means Brexit". And with many voters deciding to vote Leave to keep "our money" and to reduce immigration, the price of membership of the single market would be unacceptably high. "

I don't remember any question on the ballot about leaving the EEA but this now seems to be on the cards as well.

Most forums I read people were happy with the common market but didn't want political union.

I wonder how many of the 34% of the public who voted leave wanted to leave the EEA as well?

I sure hope the UK knows what it's doing.
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Invoking Article 50 means leaving, completely. There would (or should) need to be another referendum in order to join something like the EEA afterwards.

Nate
 
I presume that if the end goal was to join the EEA then it would have to be via leaving using Article 50 and then asking to join the EEA, with all the issues that entails, such as the existing members being happy for that to happen. As far as I know there's no legal framework to downgrade EU membership.
 
Well I didn't say it was a good thing. There's a strong anti-London feeling in certain parts of the country and via mental gymnastics people conclude that London being "taken down a peg or two" would be good for their little seaside town.
 
Caged said:
Well I didn't say it was a good thing. There's a strong anti-London feeling in certain parts of the country and via mental gymnastics people conclude that London being "taken down a peg or two" would be good for their little seaside town.
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Sadly true.
 
Caged said:
I presume that if the end goal was to join the EEA then it would have to be via leaving using Article 50 and then asking to join the EEA, with all the issues that entails, such as the existing members being happy for that to happen. As far as I know there's no legal framework to downgrade EU membership.
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Eea looka out as the eea members dont want auch a big country in there ****ing up the balanxe
 
But it now seems like the UK government doesn't even want to join the EEA which to me seems strange as most commentators on TV and in forums were happy with the Common Market an often read quote was we joined the Common Market not the EU.

Clearly there's a certain minority percentage of the UK public that want complete isolation but I can't imagine it's that many, why you would want to cripple your capital city makes no sense to me at all?
 
Caged said:
I presume that if the end goal was to join the EEA then it would have to be via leaving using Article 50 and then asking to join the EEA, with all the issues that entails, such as the existing members being happy for that to happen. As far as I know there's no legal framework to downgrade EU membership.
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Well there's no precedent for any of it. Greenland is the only country to have left and that was back in 1982-1985 when it was still the EEC, rather than the EU. It was purely an economic arrangement, so there was none of the legislative ties that the UK will have to unravel. Nevertheless it still took them more than 2 years to negotiate terms and the EEC played hardball even back then, with much less at stake.

I think the UK is hoping that since we're the first to leave the EU there'll be some special arrangement based on the strength of the UK's economy and amount of EU citizens living here. But why would there be? The EU doesn't want to set a precedent. There's no desire to punish the UK, but at the same time they aren't going to sugar coat anything either.

Brexit means Brexit. If you voted Brexit and you didn't want a full 100% exit and all that this entails, well perhaps you should have researched things a bit better before voting.
 
I think at the end of the day before the UK can do anything, the US, China, Russia, Japan, the EU and most of all, the big Global Financiers will all have to have a meeting and decide what is and what is not permissible.

Once this group have laid out the financial ground rules then this is what the UK will be doing. Now you think this is all tongue in cheek but I strongly suspect that I'm not a million miles away from the truth.

The UK is part of a large global financial club and there's no way the other nations of that club are going to idly stand by and let their economies get damaged by the reckless actions of another member.
 
I think the sooner A50 is triggered the better. Yes markets might react a bit but at least it will remove the uncertainty and we can move forward instead of being in limbo.

The tables will soon turn anyway, the EU and euro are unraveling.
 
Faustus said:
I think at the end of the day before the UK can do anything, the US, China, Russia, Japan, the EU and most of all, the big Global Financiers will all have to have a meeting and decide what is and what is not permissible.

Once this group have laid out the financial ground rules then this is what the UK will be doing. Now you think this is all tongue in cheek but I strongly suspect that I'm not a million miles away from the truth.

The UK is part of a large global financial club and there's no way the other nations of that club are going to idly stand by and let their economies get damaged by the reckless actions of another member.
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Haha, like how China is devaluing their currency and the Americans aren't dealing with their eventual default situation?

Russia is currently in sanctions and Japan is in negative rates (something that is not technically allowed).

Load of crap.
 
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