Brexit thread - what happens next

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StriderX said:
Everyone knew this, what a shock that politicians are bad at their job...
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Doubtful, but if that's a comforting thought, feel free to enjoy it.

I'm particularly looking at the very vocal sections of the population who felt they were dealing 'the establishment' a bloody nose. Last I checked, the establishment is doing rather well, thank you, and is lobbying actively to implement a version of Brexit which will empower them even more at the increased expense of the swathes of people who thought they'd get some kind of economic nationalism max and better quality of life by rocking the apple cart in abject ignorance fuelled by creative advertisement, not to mention the sleights of hand and 'Boris Truths'.

Three Brexiteers stumbling through the whole affair in the full glare of the media doesn't help, and merely damages the country's readiness and negotiating capacity still further.
 
The 'Establishment' is doing well? Really? I see you concur that there has been minimal economic impact from the vote as per the Guardian article then.
 
n111ck said:
The 'Establishment' is doing well? Really? I see you concur that there has been minimal economic impact from the vote as per the Guardian article then.
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I haven't seen us undergo or get any of the following:
-An actual Brexit;
-An earth-shattering political revolution;
-Dislodging of money from politics;
-Increased emphasis on manufacturing of goods, routine jobs or re-balancing of the relationship between society and global capital;
-Any other sort of economic re-balancing or major policy changes or thoughts towards such;
-A stable opposition that can hold those in power to account;
-A coherent Brexit plan, whilst the magical 'everyone' is apparently aware that it is a). there b). any good c). is being put into action d). is a secret money tree which won't sacrifice much of anything and gain us the world;
-The BoE being savaged by the incoming Brexiteer vanguard;
-The BBC being gagged;
-Bridges being pulled up;
-Any clear interim commitments to regions most affected post-Brexit;
-Freedom from excesses of market speculation, dependence on financial services or large companies being able to exploit the uncertainty and volatility towards their ends even being on the cards;
-Oh, and how could I forget -- MAXIMUM SOVEREIGNTY!
-The list is endless.

So yes, the establishment is ambling along just fine, but no, I do not concur with your flights of fancy in this thread.
 
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n111ck said:
The 'Establishment' is doing well? Really?
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Of course they are. The Conservatives unified behind May and are stronger than ever.

Who will benefit most out of Brexit? The establishment - politicians, lawyers, negotiators, consultants, civil servants, diplomats, journalists, financiers and anyone with a vested interest in wresting power from Brussels so they can set their own laws / agenda.

All this extra "sovereignty" is not going into the hands of ordinary people. It is going into the hands of the establishment, to do as they will. The deeply tragic part of all this is that the very people this will be hit the hardest are those least able to recognise and cope with it, which is just how the establishment likes it.
 
Threepwood said:
To win with 50% of valid votes cast, plus one vote or more, was always a terrible winning condition, and I've always thought so.

For either side. (ofc)


I would want at least 40% of the total population (2/5's) to have voted either way.

In an example of 72% turnout of voting population, this would need 55.6% of votes for either side to win (because that is how many you would need to reach 40% of the total population).
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Just out of interest what was the ratio stay to leave between counties in England? Yes the remain was close but a lot of that was propped up by the London vote.
 
Cern said:
Of course they are. The Conservatives unified behind May and are stronger than ever.

Who will benefit most out of Brexit? The establishment - politicians, lawyers, negotiators, consultants, civil servants, diplomats, journalists, financiers and anyone with a vested interest in wresting power from Brussels so they can set their own laws / agenda.

All this extra "sovereignty" is not going into the hands of ordinary people. It is going into the hands of the establishment, to do as they will. The deeply tragic part of all this is that the very people this will be hit the hardest are those least able to recognise and cope with it, which is just how the establishment likes it.
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Hold on I thought it was the 'poor and stupid' that voted leave but you are saying now it was the 'establishment'? Plot twist.
 
n111ck said:
Hold on I thought it was the 'poor and stupid' that voted leave but you are saying now it was the 'establishment'? Plot twist.
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Yes, it's a plot twist involving wool and eyes and a large amount of establishment pulling.

Who do you think orchestrated Brexit? Boris. Gove. Farage. All establishment figures, and yes even Farage (check his bio).

If it wasn't for a bit of last-minute cowardice and back-stabbing one of Boris or Gove would likely be PM right now. But it doesn't matter anyway, because May brought Boris straight back into the fold and I'm sure Gove will bounce back pretty soon too.

It's one big establishment stitch up.

But hey, enjoy your sovereignty and have fun trying to "hold them accountable" with no effective opposition now the Labour Party is imploding.
 
n111ck said:
Agreed - everybody is doing just fine.
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If they're absolutely delusional, independently wealthy or are the magical 'establishment', they'll be doing just fine, but they do just fine just about any time. Everybody else will be swallowing the consequences of idiotic and forced trade deals, poorer regulation, weaker pound, Brexit shambles and lack of political franchise for years to come. And if May decided to get into a big spat with China, well, we'll have ****ed off not one but two major trade blocs within a decade with all the happy economic and international consequences that entails!

Skunkworks said:
Did prosperity and living standards increase within 2 months of the join vote all those years ago?
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It's like saying if we hit rock bottom again, the only way is up. And indeed when we finally overcame French objections to us joining, there was a credible upwards trajectory; today, the situation is far less clear and risks utter disaster.
 
Cern said:
Yes, it's a plot twist involving wool and eyes and a large amount of establishment pulling.

Who do you think orchestrated Brexit? Boris. Gove. Farage. All establishment figures, and yes even Farage (check his bio).

If it wasn't for a bit of last-minute cowardice and back-stabbing one of Boris or Gove would likely be PM right now. But it doesn't matter anyway, because May brought Boris straight back into the fold and I'm sure Gove will bounce back pretty soon too.

It's one big establishment stitch up.

But hey, enjoy your sovereignty and have fun trying to "hold them accountable" with no effective opposition now the Labour Party is imploding.
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Wow so Boris is the Blofeld figure in this staggering conspiracy - they always said he was cleverer than he looked.

This thread really delivers the lol's.
 
n111ck said:
Wow so Boris is the Blofeld figure in this staggering conspiracy - they always said he was cleverer than he looked.

This thread really delivers the lol's.
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So you seriously think the establishment has been damaged by Brexit? If so how? In what way is the power of the establishment diminished?
 
n111ck said:
I don't think anyone has been damaged.
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Fair enough. I don't disagree at this moment in time. As for the future, we'll just have to see.

Since you seem to like reading the Guardian recently, have a look at this:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite

It was written just before the referendum and could use some updating with recent developments. But it explains better than I can what's been going on and what's at stake in the future.
 
Cern said:
Fair enough. I don't disagree at this moment in time. As for the future, we'll just have to see.

Since you seem to like reading the Guardian recently, have a look at this:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite

It was written just before the referendum and could use some updating with recent developments. But it explains better than I can what's been going on and what's at stake in the future.
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Haha, once we are out, the MPs will be held accountable no more of this its the EU rules.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-rights-migration-remain-vote-labour-red-ukip
 
Tefal said:
i dunno the MEPS losing thier jobs might be :p
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pfffft, given the connections they'll have made during their time as MEP's, any suffering will be brief to say the least, they'll have their noses back in a well paid trough in no time at all.
 
So, what about those from the EU who have been working here for 15+ years and have children born here and then the parents decide to retire?

Throw them all out?
 
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