Brexit thread - what happens next

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StriderX said:
Problem is, EU costs can only really rise can they (definitely will now, gotta love putting even more pressure on the Germans)?

You can't really use numbers like our rebate/fee if in a decade its twice the amount, perhaps on useful things like a viable border force, though admittedly we suck at that with our three lonely ships that May thought was enough.
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It took some hunting down , but I knew they had agreed a long term budget

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21386818

"EU leaders agree 3% budget cut deal in Brussels"
"EU leaders have reached an agreement on the budget for 2014-20 after lengthy talks in Brussels"

Don't see any sign of a doubling of the fee in a decade, admittedly its not till 2026 but the signs from the last EU budget round were far more positive that the countries leaders had stopped the increases
 
Cern said:
Like many Leavers, your maths needs some work.

In 2015 the UK's net annual contribution to the EU was around £8.5bn. So £5bn is around 7 months contributions. Seems rather a lot to be spending on administration costs (albeit spread over time) when one of the stated objectives of leaving was to recover EU contributions to spend on the NHS and other such things.

And this is just government administration costs. Lots of businesses will also incur administration costs adapting to Brexit because of the changes to legislation, regulation and taxation etc.
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I based it on the £350m a week + the smiley face was there for a reason ;)
 
b0redj0rd said:
I guess not .....
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Only got time to do one now. The flooding one,

lets start with a daily mail article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-allows-water-drain-faster-say-farmers.html

then a BBC which gets a bit more to the issue,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25911391

finally a 2016 article where the EA (who ultimately had the power) relaxed the rules

https://www.fginsight.com/news/farm...hes-without-paperwork-under-rule-change-11300

So looks like the initial problem was caused by the EU (Blair government passing legislation) but since has had common sense applied to the interpretation, and as pointed out they can now dredge.

I remember this as I live in a semi rural area, there is conflicting views on whether dredging really helps as moving water faster doesn't necessarily stop flooding, in fact it can make it worse downstream.
Farmers cant however start attacking natural rivers, and rightly so, the EA manages that side.
 
n111ck said:
From the third link:

"The exemption applies to man-made ditches, land drains, agricultural drains and previously straightened watercourses but not to natural rivers."

Natural rivers are restricted by EU regulations making it too expensive:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85880
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You cant have farmers randomly attacking natural rivers, the ramifications are horrendous.
The EA do them, as you will see if you read it again.

“These changes will support the Environment Agency to focus on managing flood risk, looking across a river’s whole catchment area to use natural defences, dredging and man-made barriers to better protect homes and businesses across the country.”
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
You cant have farmers randomly attacking natural rivers, the ramifications are horrendous.
The EA do them, as you will see if you read it again.

“These changes will support the Environment Agency to focus on managing flood risk, looking across a river’s whole catchment area to use natural defences, dredging and man-made barriers to better protect homes and businesses across the country.”
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Not saying farmers should - I am saying it shouldn't be unecessarily expensive.
 
n111ck said:
Yep downward trend clearly in place before the referendum :D
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Plot it back to 80s for example

Maybe go back to 1900?

The graph above would be a statisticians wet dream, it so badly represents the normal position of the USD against the pound its not funny

Seems to be the thing for brexiters though, finding ways to misrepresent things. GJ but your not fooling anyone but yourselves

Im off now though, clearly despite asking the brexiters are struggling to come up with anything but sound bites, no substance, mis represented facts etc

Shame I was hoping for a bit of decet debate but seems our resident brexiters are all sound bite and no substance :P
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Plot it back to 80s for example

Maybe go back to 1900?

The graph above would be a statisticians wet dream, it so badly represents the normal position of the USD against the pound its not funny

Seems to be the thing for brexiters though, finding ways to misrepresent things. GJ but your not fooling anyone but yourselves

Im off now though, clearly despite asking the brexiters are struggling to come up with anything but sound bites, no substance, mis represented facts etc

Shame I was hoping for a bit of decet debate but seems our resident brexiters are all sound bite and no substance :P
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New to GD?
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Shame I was hoping for a bit of decet debate but seems our resident brexiters are all sound bite and no substance :P
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n111ck said:
It does make me laugh, people complaining about not getting serious debate on a computer shops web forum. :D
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To be fair I've had repeated similar experiences when discussing Brexit with people since the vote. Sovereignty, take back control of our borders, freedom from undemocratic EU laws, free trade with the world, enact Article 50 today - we can have it all, how hard can it be? However, try to get into the detail about what this really means and find the substance behind the soundbites and I've yet to find a Brexiter in real life that can articulate it. Daily Express, Mail and Sun headlines are taken as facts and the opinions of acknowledged experts are still routinely being dismissed as project fear.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Plot it back to 80s for example

Maybe go back to 1900?

The graph above would be a statisticians wet dream, it so badly represents the normal position of the USD against the pound its not funny

Seems to be the thing for brexiters though, finding ways to misrepresent things. GJ but your not fooling anyone but yourselves

Im off now though, clearly despite asking the brexiters are struggling to come up with anything but sound bites, no substance, mis represented facts etc

Shame I was hoping for a bit of decet debate but seems our resident brexiters are all sound bite and no substance :P
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So.... am I a brexit supporter? Did I put this link up because I was looking for something, trying to prove a point?

(For reference, I actually tried 20 years, but it would only go back 10 years max.)
 
scorza said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/22/eu-summit-europe-will-not-come-to-an-end-after-brexit/

EU to press ahead with plans to create a European Army. Once again, the solution to a European crisis is 'more integration'. Thank goodness we're getting out.
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Since the referendum I don't believe anything the papers say anymore. You only have to look at few headlines such as "brexit boom" and "Europe is falling" and the funniest one.... "Grexit, frexit, ausexit, italexit, x 10 other countries" to realise how much papers lie and exaggerate. Are there any other countries following suit. Nope.

Now.... Maybe there will be an EU army. Maybe not. Personally I don't see an issue pulling all resources together for things like that. It means less wasted money. It's highly likely they they have just discussed how they can tackle terrorism with the result being better easier communication and systems in place that share this across the EU.
 
Mr Badger said:
To be fair I've had repeated similar experiences when discussing Brexit with people since the vote. Sovereignty, take back control of our borders, freedom from undemocratic EU laws, free trade with the world, enact Article 50 today - we can have it all, how hard can it be? However, try to get into the detail about what this really means and find the substance behind the soundbites and I've yet to find a Brexiter in real life that can articulate it. Daily Express, Mail and Sun headlines are taken as facts and the opinions of acknowledged experts are still routinely being dismissed as project fear.
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Spot on exactly my point.
I thought maybe with some teasing you could pull out some detail or reasoning, yet it just doesn't seem to exist.

Nevermind I'm not fussed. I work for a global who keep trying to get me to relocate internationally. If the UK ends up as bad as I fear a few years after brexit (ie 70s labouresqu) then I will just take them up on their offer.
 
Scougar said:
So.... am I a brexit supporter? Did I put this link up because I was looking for something, trying to prove a point?

(For reference, I actually tried 20 years, but it would only go back 10 years max.)
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I didn't quote you. But anyway

http://fxtop.com/en/historical-exch...M1=01&DD1=01&YYYY2=2016&MM2=08&DD2=23&LANG=en

From 1950s.
As you will see the £ vs the $ has declined for many many years.
US economy has outperformed UK for many years. You will get spikes up and down but fundamentally long term trend is dollar to strengthen against the pound. I havent got the link I had once that had data back to 1900 or so, but iirc it was around $6:£1
Long term trend, nothing to do with the EU at all
Short term trends always due to economic results and predictions (relative between UK and US)
 
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scorza said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/22/eu-summit-europe-will-not-come-to-an-end-after-brexit/

EU to press ahead with plans to create a European Army. Once again, the solution to a European crisis is 'more integration'. Thank goodness we're getting out.
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I like that the only time they mentioned "EU army" they didn't actually use his quote. With all the other direct qoutes in the article I wonder why. ;)
I really don't see a problem with it, all EU members are in NATO so already signed up to come to aid of each other if needed.
 
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