Brexit thread - what happens next

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Aye no problem, it's worth discussing as someone might actually have an idea how to do it. But with all the ways to actually send money, it must be a pretty tough approach.

It's totally the right one to take though.I think Mr Brown will be the pinnacle that all fail to reach (I certainly hope so!), but that doesn't negate the fact that Gideon failed on his targets time and time again, and moved the goalposts to try and make up for it. That makes him a failure in my book.

Whilst I am not saying this is the case there are plenty of times when aiming high and failing will put you in a better position than aiming low and succeeding.
Its all relative.
 
We invented paper and biometrics to avoid that, Badger.

Passports can be lost, faked

i agree, tag everyone with a barcode tattoo on their forehead, harder to fake, not easy to explain why when scanned at passport control your fake tattoo reads as McVities Jaffa cakes ;)

those born in england could maybe have a little st georges cross as well, welsh a dragon etc etc ;)
 
I dont think its about women personally

I think a significant amount of the reason for resentment is misplaced.

People who do not feel they have had the best from life will feel resentment, its far easier to focus on immigrants than anyone else. From the they are taking our jobz, to living for free in houses here, to forcing us out of neighbourhoods, behind all the crime etc etc
Undoubtedly some are true to some extent.

If you removed all the immigrants, I mean trump style, going back 2 generations, literally everyone not born in the UK, you will still end up with housing issues, not enough jobs, crime etc etc
Its just we would revert to blaming someone else, whoever else seemed to be a minority at that point. I remember people blaming irish immigrants for crime, black immigrants for taking the jobs ...

On this, I'm aligned with this Brexit-leaning guardianista: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...t-is-old-racism-for-the-tech-savvy-generation.

50/50 in terms of relevance to the post-Brexit UK or Trumpism. I wouldn't say the alt right is very strong in the UK as the new voice of the disenfranchised, but its precursors played a very active role in the referendum. An interesting read, since most left-leaning authors have deployed a tacit assumption that the rising and fragmented precariat is somehow ideologically aligned to their aims, like the working class previously. Whilst to me it looks like a reactionary mess of aspiration turned into narcissistic cynicism without a clear political home, hence open to rampant exploitation by whoever connects with them first. I've given up on Corbyn, but May would be foolish to ignore this phenomenon as well.
 
Passports can be lost, faked

i agree, tag everyone with a barcode tattoo on their forehead, harder to fake, not easy to explain why when scanned at passport control your fake tattoo reads as McVities Jaffa cakes ;)

those born in england could maybe have a little st georges cross as well, welsh a dragon etc etc ;)

Simple, as a migrant seeking entry you don't have it. No entry.
 
Didn't Labour propose and fail to introduce an ID card database? I recall something to that effect. Later we chose to cut our border force and fail to implement any centralised measures of enforcing EU treaty provisions re freedom of movement fully. The former collapsed on privacy issues; the latter wasn't a great way to manage the system as it exists, considering the GE campaigns that lead up to the ref. How we link up to European asylum measures post-Brexit, if at all, remains to be seen.
 
This is not for British citizens. These would be issued to migrants and migrants have to meet criteria.

What we do with EU migrants is up in the air, pending the outcome of Brexit talks. Asylum policy and non-EU immigration has always been our business, and not much has moved there, so the great and the good looked at the situation, found already that people had to meet X number of tough criteria and felt the added cost of the measures you're thinking of not worth it. As for right to privacy, I see no reason why it should be any different for migrants. For the time being at least, we already have access to national ID cards and health insurance information, shared intelligence and security databases re known criminals, terrorist groups, etc, and these have always been treated as special cases, mostly well, sometimes badly. To generalise from only the negative aspects of the system would set a bad precedent, cost money and without proper staffing and funds won't be that effective (generally systems which make unique exceptions all the time end up fragmented and inefficient and more open to abuse than simple, general ones extended from existing legislation).
 
What we do with EU migrants is up in the air, pending the outcome of Brexit talks. Asylum policy and non-EU immigration has always been our business, and not much has moved there, so the great and the good looked at the situation, found already that people had to meet X number of tough criteria and felt the added cost of the measures you're thinking of not worth it. As for right to privacy, I see no reason why it should be any different for migrants. For the time being at least, we already have access to national ID cards and health insurance information, shared intelligence and security databases re known criminals, terrorist groups, etc, and these have always been treated as special cases, mostly well, sometimes badly. To generalise from only the negative aspects of the system would set a bad precedent, cost money and without proper staffing and funds won't be that effective (generally systems which make unique exceptions all the time end up fragmented and inefficient and more open to abuse than simple, general ones extended from existing legislation).

EU migrants have the right to live here currently without the new requirement.

I've postulated that assuming a sensible number it translates to 33 people visiting each police station. A handful comparatively of people could deal with that.
 
EU migrants have the right to live here currently without the new requirement.

I've postulated that assuming a sensible number it translates to 33 people visiting each police station. A handful comparatively of people could deal with that.

I don't know how feasible it would be. Burnsy is a better man to ask re current policing pressures, but judging from his older posts it hasn't fared well/better than the armed or border forces lately either. With May moving from the Home Office to number 10, I hope some domestic light will be shed on the context for our difficulties in this area.
 
They wouldn't need to be police. Administrative staff could log this information. Any anomalies could be forwarded to BP or P.

We are looking at a brick in a house of the architecture that would be needed. The foundations would have to be a law and the roof would need to be the threat of force.

Most migrants coming through we know are not Syrian, that's a big problem. Why are so many people heading for western Europe? Again: Saudi and the five emirates are taking no refugees.

Its interesting too the media silence on Yemen. Lots of AlJ about it but they are missing something, the air of clarity. Thousands have been killed in recent months and the death toll may reach 100,000 before long.

I'm not convinced 100% on the reasons for Yemen being attacked and fall on the side its to do with Iranian interests
 
I'm struggling to see what making people here legally visit police stations is meant to achieve.

Monitoring while being processed. Once process completed and they are given leave to stay.

The current system is totally failing, something, anything is better.
 
If you removed all the immigrants, I mean trump style, going back 2 generations, literally everyone not born in the UK, you will still end up with housing issues, not enough jobs, crime etc etc
Its just we would revert to blaming someone else, whoever else seemed to be a minority at that point. I remember people blaming irish immigrants for crime, black immigrants for taking the jobs ...

This.

Its the typical British blame culture, its always somebody else's fault. Never our own.

Its always ok for British people to migrate to another country but its never ok for non British to migrate the UK.:rolleyes:
 
This.

Its the typical British blame culture, its always somebody else's fault. Never our own.

Its always ok for British people to migrate to another country but its never ok for non British to migrate the UK.:rolleyes:

Actually it is our fault, we're the ones who have permitted the situation. Can't really blame people for taking advantage, that's what people do. It's also our fault because we're the only ones who can do anything about fixing the current situation.

Where British people can emigrate to is an issue for the destination nation.
 
EU migrants have the right to live here currently without the new requirement.

I've postulated that assuming a sensible number it translates to 33 people visiting each police station. A handful comparatively of people could deal with that.

Are police stations even manned anymore? I know my local one isn't, you can't just walk in and speak to a desk sergeant. It's 2016, not 1956 and Dixon Of Dock Green.
 
Are police stations even manned anymore? I know my local one isn't, you can't just walk in and speak to a desk sergeant. It's 2016, not 1956 and Dixon Of Dock Green.

According to the google I did there were just over 1,500 or exactly 1500. As for them being manned that number seems about right. There are four manned stations within 20mins of me (traffic wise) and I could probably guess a further 4 moving out.

Seems inconceivably unlikely there would be for example ~1,000. But even then that's fifty a day. Still within the realms of possible Imo.
 
According to the google I did there were just over 1,500 or exactly 1500. As for them being manned that number seems about right. There are four manned stations within 20mins of me (traffic wise) and I could probably guess a further 4 moving out.

Seems inconceivably unlikely there would be for example ~1,000. But even then that's fifty a day. Still within the realms of possible Imo.

Remind me why we're asking people to report to police stations daily? Did I miss something and we're trying to give our Eastern European immigrants a taste of the former Eastern Bloc pre the 1990s?
 
Remind me why we're asking people to report to police stations daily? Did I miss something and we're trying to give our Eastern European immigrants a taste of the former Eastern Bloc pre the 1990s?

It's the only way we can keep track of the immigrants.
 
In GD lore immigrants are a higher risk category than the native population, hence 'need' special treatment; if you cut down on the frothing, conspiracy and outright racism. It's odd since the accompanying argument is to spend more money, time and resources on the natives, yet this is to be achieved through special treatment for newcomers and increased money, time and resources spent on arranging this.:o
 
Remind me why we're asking people to report to police stations daily? Did I miss something and we're trying to give our Eastern European immigrants a taste of the former Eastern Bloc pre the 1990s?

I'm merely suggesting something that worked in the 1950's.

They would "report" to make sure they don't abscond and as proof of conformity.

Jack - I'm certainly not advocating that. It is surely better than the system now.

This all depends on firstly a tough stance on entry. A one year freeze on illegal immigration will be a good thing. Beyond that and within the realms of research needed we can then legislate a maximum of xx,000 per year.

Currently its too much.
 
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