What are people's thoughts on the burkini ban in France?

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Arazi said:
Thing is we are branded racists and bigots for having the above opinion, even when it is a fact.
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because it does seem like a pretty bigoted argument and I cant see how a burkini can in any way cause insult to people. Many people on beaches wear head scarfs what ever the religion if any, many people wear long selves on the beach, many people wear trousers and im pretty sure someone has done it all at once and been seen by people that didnt think to call the police... until that person was muslim... or maybe muslim... gotta be muslim, lets call the police!!!!!!
 
Why would a Muslim woman wear one of these to a beach especially if it is scorching? Or why a Muslim woman would walk around a city in the full Burka, face covered etc in 30+ heat?

Can someone on here who is a follower of Islam answer the above please?
 
Arazi said:
Why would a Muslim woman wear one of these to a beach especially if it is scorching? Or why a Muslim woman would walk around a city in the full Burka, face covered etc in 30+ heat?

Can someone on here who is a follower of Islam answer the above please?
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This does seem more like an Anti Islam thread by OP now, considering the OP's follow up posts, rather than it being about the original question of "Will it happen in this country?"

All for good discussions but not for hate threads.
 
Caged said:
That's very hard to put a definition on. Do football shirts count as a symbol of division? What about obvious displays of wealth?
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It's a fine line to cross. How soon do we get to accents and skin colour? And why exactly misplaced prejudice and blame should become precedent for policy and law in a Western liberal democracy? Bonkers. A rotten way to start fencing off free speech and self-expression from hate speech and what merely causes offence too, consider the disparity: Hebdo can publish religious satire which may cause offence; a woman belonging to one such religion cannot wear what she chooses because she may cause offence and this becomes illegal, hence a crime; who has greater freedoms? Why? Both the writers of the magazine and Muslim ladies are citizens and equal before the law. And that's that. Burkini isn't a public order offence like exposure or a hate offence like an anti-Semitic rant, followed by a Nazi salute with view to offend, threaten and escalate.

Like the case of the Saudi chap, I believe, being taken for a terrorist for merely wearing national dress in the States, a totally silly thing to legislate against in terms of dress, ban and whip up public hysteria over.

Arazi said:
I'll quote what i posted above:
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It shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law, without distinction of origin, race or religion. It shall respect all beliefs.
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Equality does not equal any of the following: eradication of minorities; oppression of minorities as individuals or groups; divergent precedents in interpreting the laws governing self-expression as it applies to constituent demographics; dominion of the majority; asking people to conform to stereotypes on the risk of fines or worse punishment.

Good luck enshrining in law that difference is harm, on top of that. The judiciary will be on it like a hawk, and I'll trust a court of the country concerned over forum opinion where the interpretation of their constitution is concerned.
 
We scoff at the restrictions placed on women in Saudi Arabia and see them as a symbol of oppression against women - so for French local authorities to start imposing conditions on what women can and can't wear is equally worthy of disdain.

Personally I find a full burkha to be a real barrier to communication, not to mention trust but that's my problem and if someone wants to exercise their right to wear one, so be it.
 
richthomuk said:
This does seem more like an Anti Islam thread by OP now, considering the OP's follow up posts, rather than it being about the original question of "Will it happen in this country?"

All for good discussions but not for hate threads.
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Really, the question in part is regarding women wearing them on a beach.
 
What does banning them solve? It's not like you can't see their faces when then wear them.

Whole load of wasted energy over nothing. Im disappointed reading the pro ban comments tbh.
 
james.miller said:
What does banning them solve? It's not like you can't see their faces when then wear them.

Whole load of wasted energy over nothing. Im disappointed reading the pro ban comments tbh.
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Apparently it is because Islamic women are oppressed so its important for them to be arrested and oppressed even more when they want to relax at the beach, which they also shouldnt be allowed to do anyway so apparently a beach is only allowed for sunbathing :P

But I agree, no inherent bigotry or racism has come into play by any of the pro ban people :P :P :P :P
 
james.miller said:
What does banning them solve? It's not like you can't see their faces when then wear them.
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If France wants to impose dress restrictions, then they should be allowed in the same way that Muslim countries impose the same restrictions.

Would you go to Saudi and argue about how you want to dress ?
 
Coming soon to a beach near you, the British burkini:

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Should this be banned too?
 
Brizzles said:
If France wants to impose dress restrictions, then they should be allowed in the same way that Muslim countries impose the same restrictions.

Would you go to Saudi and argue about how you want to dress ?
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No one is saying if they wish to write stupid laws like in oppressive middle eastern countries they can't. However, note they haven't done anything like that. Mayors have taken executive action to apply such orders which will fall one by one because it is against French law.

France is a free society founded on specific ideals not driven by the will to just punish people for the actions of others.

An egalitarian society does equal a homogenised society.

[HB]Rugrat;29950861 said:
We scoff at the restrictions placed on women in Saudi Arabia and see them as a symbol of oppression against women - so for French local authorities to start imposing conditions on what women can and can't wear is equally worthy of disdain.

Personally I find a full burkha to be a real barrier to communication, not to mention trust but that's my problem and if someone wants to exercise their right to wear one, so be it.
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Women going to the beach in relatively skin tight clothes are hardly the women being oppressed if that us the true goal of such actions.
 
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richthomuk said:
How can a burkini be banned but people in full body wet suits or snorkeling gear be fine LMAO
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This.

Also if we're going to ban burkas and the like are we also going to ban Nun's habits, head scarves etc...(the Hijab is pretty much a head scarf).
 
I'd be quite happy for everyone just to mind their own beeswax and let people dress how they like. That includes religious morons. The last thing we need to counter them is secular morons
 
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