What are people's thoughts on the burkini ban in France?

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Mixed,

On the one hand, Burkinies are no more restrictive than anything that might have been considered perfectly normal here little more than 100 years ago.

On the other hand, I do see them as playing a similar role to new Mosques (and in particular Minarets)

It isn't "Just" people peacefully practising their religion.

It is about sending a message that new territory has been "claimed", In much the same way that Edward the 1st used his chain of Castles to "Claim" Wales.
 
Orionaut said:
It is about sending a message that new territory has been "claimed", In much the same way that Edward the 1st used his chain of Castles to "Claim" Wales.
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lmao... the only way it seems like that is if you are either paranoid or very Islamophobic, but seriously thats the funniest comparison I have read about anything in my life so thanks for the post :) :) :) :D

So mosques are strategic landmarks and not places of worship? This thread is so anti islam im surprised it is still open.
 
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Bit late to this one, but I'll weigh in on the anti-ban side. As much as I dislike women being forced to wear the Burkini (along with the Hijab, Niqab or Burqa), we live in a free society and that means there must be freedom of choice.

If we accept that individuals cannot be forced to wear a particular symbol in their private lives, then we must equally accept that they cannot be forced not to.

Obviously there must certain exemptions; a woman who chooses to wear a burqa must not do so when required in some official capacity (the workplace, a courtroom). But that is more about recognising the supremacy of the English Law, not Sharia.
 
richthomuk said:
"...but my point is that places like Saudi and Iran force..." so I'm not sure how I was implying it was just Saudi that was bad for this.

Yea we could, we 100% could find cases of this in most if not all countries that have people that practice Islamic religions, but its a very extremist way of looking at something as I'm also 100% sure we can find cases of Christians killing non Christians in every country that has people practicing Christian religions.
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Just how I read it is all.

Yes it would be very easy to. I'm certain.

The issue that keeps cropping up again on the forum is the Islamic connection. While there are many peaceful Muslims, there are also many who are not who use religion as their starting point.

Is Islam compatible with the west? My belief is no.
 
RaohNS said:
While there are many peaceful Muslims, there are also many who are not who use religion as their starting point.

Is Islam compatible with the west? My belief is no.
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Come on though, is that really a reason to alienate a huge population of peaceful people.

Say for example you are Christian, would you like to be associated as a supporter of child rape and genocide?
 
I've already said there are peaceful and peaceable Muslims.

Islamic values just don't mix with a European dialogue. And as I get further through the Koran I'm believing it more and more.

Christopher Hitchens summed it up nicely years ago: This is the last word of god and after me there is no other. A religion that cannot take challenge and has to meet that challenge with violence is incompatible with an open society.

In effect they press for oppression/suppression.

Blasphemy laws are not far off and you can even be arrested for saying something bad about Mohammed. Go figure.
 
I'm hugely on the fence about this.

Part of me thinks do as per the culture of the country you're living in and accept they want you to be as they are.

Part of me also thinks that it is oppressive to force a woman or a group of people to go against their will and beliefs.
 
RaohNS said:
Islamic values just don't mix with a European dialogue. And as I get further through the Koran I'm believing it more and more.
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...so I'm guessing comments like these are acceptable now? If Islam cant mix with Europe then why was it fine for European leaders to back Muslim dictators... So much double standards and ignorance on this thread.
 
It is a very difficult one for me, but I do understand why people want it banned. It is a piece of clothing that carries a cultural and potentially political statement.

There was an interview with a French Muslim I believe on C4 news. She was on the beach after the ban was announced wearing a t-shirt and had her arms and hair exposed. She said that she was upset by the ban and would have been wearing a burkini normally. It was a strange one as clearly she was willing to defy her own religious rules and still go to the beach dressed as a Westerner.

This made me think that she wanted to wear the Burkini as a political statement rather than for a moral reason.

In the end it's just a piece of clothing, banning it wont help the deeply complex issues that surround all of this.
 
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Amp34 said:
Some of these points may be different if this thread was about burqas and other face covering items of clothing, but it's not, it's about burkinis, which don't cover the face
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whoops - yeah didnt fully read all of OP :D dont have a problem with the burkini by itself just the other religious garments. However i can understand why they (some french authorities) are lumping it in with other islamic dress. ergo the bannage.


Amp34 said:
So nuns and Priests are not allowed to leave their churches/religions buildings in their religions clothing? Can a nun still cover her hair when outside, or is that still considered a religions item of clothing?
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Might be controversial but yeah i would ban em all. Religion is a private matter not a public one so no overt display of religious belief allowed...thats how i would have it anyway. They can still wear their gear underneath a long coat of some sort. Sikhs turbans hrmm yeah they would have to go....
 
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richthomuk said:
...so I'm guessing comments like these are acceptable now? If Islam cant mix with Europe then why was it fine for European leaders to back Muslim dictators... So much double standards and ignorance on this thread.
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Its my belief. I don't tell you what to believe.

Money...money...money... Its so funny... In a rich mans world.
 
So I was rather unaware of this until this morning and decided to google "what is a burkini" and this came up.

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Am i missing something? What or who is offended by this? I wouldn't wear one but seems ok to me. Why anyone would be "banned" from wearing that on a public beach seems like hysteria to me
 
kaktus said:
So I was rather unaware of this until this morning and decided to google "what is a burkini" and this came up.

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Am i missing something? What or who is offended by this? I wouldn't wear one but seems ok to me. Why anyone would be "banned" from wearing that on a public beach seems like hysteria to me
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Well said
 
I think its pathetic move form France if people want to cover up let them, I'm surprised they have not broken some human rights law by banning it.
 
richthomuk said:
Thats fine, that wasnt the issue, but surly you can see how comments like that can alienate Muslims who come to this forum.
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Not at all. Take it on the chin. Nobody forces you to read it. I read a lot I don't like on this forum eg being called anti-Semitic a homo etc.

There is always the option and right of retort. It can be used.

This is the French rule on the burkini and its the obligation of the people to follow until such a time it is revoked.

Some quite inflammatory but accurate remarks were doing the rounds on twitter concerning dress in Kingdom nations.
 
Bikinis and speedos should be mandatory. What is it with everyone body shaming these days and saying everyone who is slightest fat should cover up.
 
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