Change in the law for German fathers

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37215684

Germany's justice ministry has drawn up a change in the law which would require mothers in certain paternity cases to reveal who they had slept with.

The measure would apply when men who had supported a child, believing that they were the father, sought financial redress in court.

They could thus more easily claim maintenance back from the actual biological father.
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Sounds fair enough if someone has been blindly paying for a child that isn't his after being deceived by the mother, I'd wager getting the maintenance payments back from another man (assuming not some deadbeat) would be far easier than getting them back from a single mother who is probably pressed a bit financially.
 
ah title might need adjusting - I used the shortened/slang version of '****oo', not sure why the swear filter has decided to filer it :confused:
 
Sorted thread title. No way around the use of cuckoo because it contains part of a banned word. Have asked if an admin can adjust the parameters.
 
Step in the right direction. I know of one person whom was affected by something similar in this country.
Brought up a kid that (unknowingly by him) wasn't his.
 
EVH said:
Sorted thread title. No way around the use of cuckoo because it contains part of a banned word. Have asked if an admin can adjust the parameters.
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Get them to sort out **** you're at it. I can't talk about the nesting pair of blue **** above my window without it being censored, which is strange as the singular, tit, is allowed.

Taking a Richard III is another one, **** is censored yet turds isn't.
 
I dread to think how many men unknowingly raise another man's child full stop, nevermind just those in Germany!

As far as I know, I'm not a father, the world is safe... For now!;)
 
yup it probably is more common than we realise, I wouldn't be surprised if the Royal family has fallen victim to it at some point in history... then again if the current Royals were DNA tested it could potentially cause a constitutional issue.

Interestingly France seems to take a rather different approach to Germany, over there fathers are not even allowed to get paternity tests even when they suspect they're bringing up [insert name of a particular type of bird] children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing#France

Paternity testing is regulated by the state and only allowed in certain cases:

Without a court order the express consent of the person must be obtained in writing before the carrying out of the examination, after the person has been duly informed of its nature and its purpose.[18]
With a court order (if consent could not be obtained)

This is partially due to the official desire to "preserve the peace" within French families, with the French government citing psychologists who state that fatherhood is determined by society, rather than biology.
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Other dilemma, when you mention medical professionals, is inadvertently figuring it out - say from blood type combinations between parents and children that would be impossible... the father might be clueless about blood types but a medical professional might well twig that the child isn't his... bit of an ethical dilemma for them.
 
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As a follower of this there are tens of thousands of fathers paying for children that aren't theirs by threat of various draconian CSA/CMS measures.

Tens of thousands... Its appalling really.
 
Doubt it would happen but I think a DNA test should be done at the point of a birth of the baby. This way no time (minus how ever long the test took) is wasted with years of harbouring feelings and disappointment when they find out they aren't the daddy after all. Extra benefits are screening for know types of illness etc. from a young age as well.

I know a lot of people will say oh that's over the top etc. and to a point I would agree it might seem extreme but after seeing a friend totally destroyed after finding out his son at the age of ten wasn't his was horrible to see. We all knew his EX was nasty but not to that level with all the years of CSA payments and strong family connections and bonds seemingly destroyed over night. Personally in these cases I would like to see the said lady in question charged with some level of crime once again will never happen. You could understand someone not being 100% sure i.e. two close relationships etc but most normal people who disclose or discuss that before hand so everyone knows the risk. but when the other person was sleeping around knowing what they were doing I think its horrible.

Sorry to highjack but DNA testing on all birth would be my solution to stopping fathers having to claim anything back years down the line or like my friend basically got a "tough luck old bean nothing back for you" response.
 
Good.

In France I think you are not even allowed to get a paternity test.

What do we want to encourage (word beginning with c to describe a man whose wife sleeps with other men) or something? since when should a guy be forced to pay for another dudes kid because their wife is a skank and lied...

Sheesh.... LOGIC PEOPLE?!

I'm only shocked it took this long for this to happen.

Dis86 said:
Step in the right direction. I know of one person whom was affected by something similar in this country.
Brought up a kid that (unknowingly by him) wasn't his.
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I don't think i'll ever be having kids but if I do, i'm buying a 30 quid test off amazon and checking regardless of whether I have reason to or not. Heard of this happening far too many times.
 
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That is Creative until the CMS come along and tell you how it has to go.

15% of all CM claims are done so fraudulently in the knowledge they are not the father.

I read some horror stories over the years and it takes a gargantuan effort to sue the CSA/CMS as large swathes of law protect them (and actually breach multiple absolute laws)
 
Dugganator said:
Doubt it would happen but I think a DNA test should be done at the point of a birth of the baby. This way no time (minus how ever long the test took) is wasted with years of harbouring feelings and disappointment when they find out they aren't the daddy after all. Extra benefits are screening for know types of illness etc. from a young age as well.

I know a lot of people will say oh that's over the top etc. and to a point I would agree it might seem extreme but after seeing a friend totally destroyed after finding out his son at the age of ten wasn't his was horrible to see. We all knew his EX was nasty but not to that level with all the years of CSA payments and strong family connections and bonds seemingly destroyed over night. Personally in these cases I would like to see the said lady in question charged with some level of crime once again will never happen. You could understand someone not being 100% sure i.e. two close relationships etc but most normal people who disclose or discuss that before hand so everyone knows the risk. but when the other person was sleeping around knowing what they were doing I think its horrible.

Sorry to highjack but DNA testing on all birth would be my solution to stopping fathers having to claim anything back years down the line or like my friend basically got a "tough luck old bean nothing back for you" response.
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what would be the other masssive outcome is no man would ever avoid CSA again.

any random one night stand where you didnt even get her number, let alone saw each other ever again that ended in her preggers will flag up the father on birthday instantly and the CSA forms would soon follow
 
Tefal said:
what would be the other masssive outcome is no man would ever avoid CSA again.

any random one night stand where you didnt even get her number, let alone saw each other ever again that ended in her preggers will flag up the father on birthday instantly and the CSA forms would soon follow
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My method would be aimed at families that are in a relationship at the point of birth. The process could be extended as part of the birth certificate where they are put down as the father once confirmed via DNA test. This way its just a way of double checking. "So you say hes the father ok that's fine depending a DNA test that will be confirmed in x amount of days"

Its not full proof I know and one night stands wasn't what I was getting at. I meant just to protect people that are committing to a relationship and family life should be protected.

Not some duffer that goes puts it about like there is no tomorrow praying that she can search the database(doesn't exist) when she falls pregnant with baby number 6 hoping for some cash.

While my method isn't full proof just would prefer a way of protecting families from terrible fall out in the future and also people paying for children that aren't even theirs in the first place. Finally if someone has being found of opening lying as maybe the lady in question knew that the sucker she is getting to pay would do so over the other dead beat that wouldn't there should be some come back for that person.

Its deceit, misrepresenting and fraud in my book and that doesn't start to cover the complex emotional issues caused afterwards. The person I spoke of earlier was driven very close to the edge but lucky he had a decent family and friends to help.

Meh what do I know just my thoughts on the matter.
 
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