What are people's thoughts on the burkini ban in France?

[olivier renault]

They should be banned in western Countries, if they don't like it they can go home.

I don't really see the issue.

Short sighted people rarely do. And BTW, these are French citizens, like it or not, they are home.

So scary, you got to ban it, to make 'people' feel better. It's pathetic, if you ask me. As weak as any form of censorship you will regularly see in the Middle East (outlawing atheism, blasphemy laws, persecution of gays, and ironically, forcing women to cover up).

And if you think this is for the benefit of women rights, then your BS detector is malfunctioning. I'm really disappointed. I thought we were better, stronger, and smarter than that.

 

[Roar87]

Why should they be banned?

Because you don't like it or because safety?

This attitude is why you have more extremist on both sides. The west represents freedom of religion and expression as long as it does not infringe in others freedom and safety.

I see no safety issue with this dress.

It's not really a like or dislike situation, we just do not find it acceptable in our culture for people to walk around with their head and face covered day to day. It's a difficult situation where we have to enforce it with laws, but unfortunately there is no other way.

 

[Delvis]

It's not really a like or dislike situation, we just do not find it acceptable in our culture for people to walk around with their head and face covered day to day. It's a difficult situation where we have to enforce it with laws, but unfortunately there is no other way.

My God, their face isn't covered? This reported 'burkini' doesn't resemble a Burka because the face ISNT COVERED UP

 

[dirtychinchilla]

It's not really a like or dislike situation, we just do not find it acceptable in our culture for people to walk around with their head and face covered day to day. It's a difficult situation where we have to enforce it with laws, but unfortunately there is no other way.

I could not care less if people cover their head. Their face, yes. Their head, no. And the burkini, as the chap above says, only covers their head. Not their face.

I very much doubt anyone that wears a full burkah is going to go swimming in public.

 

[Arazi]

I could not care less if people cover their head. Their face, yes. Their head, no. And the burkini, as the chap above says, only covers their head. Not their face.

I very much doubt anyone that wears a full burkah is going to go swimming in public.

Image taken from http://shoebat.com/2015/07/31/hijab...way-from-beach-resortsin-of-all-places-egypt/

"Many Egyptian women say they are facing a difficult summer season as Hijab-free zones have soared in popularity, as more restaurants and high-end resorts enforce a de-facto ban on wearing Muslim headbags."

"Social media users in Egypt flocked to Facebook and Twitter over the past week to condemn the apparent decision by some venues to deny veiled women entry. Many deemed the ban as “discriminatory” against practicing Muslim women in Egypt – a country in which 90 percent of its 80-million population are Muslim."

"The ban is not completely new, it was reportedly common at resorts and restaurants frequented by foreigners, in cities such as Sharm el Sheikh and Hurghada."

Well i never.

 

[Delvis]

Image taken from http://shoebat.com/2015/07/31/hijab...way-from-beach-resortsin-of-all-places-egypt/

"Many Egyptian women say they are facing a difficult summer season as Hijab-free zones have soared in popularity, as more restaurants and high-end resorts enforce a de-facto ban on wearing Muslim headbags."

"Social media users in Egypt flocked to Facebook and Twitter over the past week to condemn the apparent decision by some venues to deny veiled women entry. Many deemed the ban as “discriminatory” against practicing Muslim women in Egypt – a country in which 90 percent of its 80-million population are Muslim."

"The ban is not completely new, it was reportedly common at resorts and restaurants frequented by foreigners, in cities such as Sharm el Sheikh and Hurghada."

Well i never.

Yeah look at them swimming away.

Oh wait they're dangling their feet.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

You're using that as evidence, but there's no one wearing a burkah in the pool?

The bit you put in bold about the hijab - hijabs do not cover the face.

 

[McBain]

I couldn't really care less whether they're banned or not.

I just wanted to read the thread and see the usual back and forth.

 

[Arazi]

Yeah look at them swimming away.

Oh wait they're dangling their feet.

You're using that as evidence, but there's no one wearing a burkah in the pool?

There are more if you google it, it isn't hard to find.

e: And the above is what you took from my post.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

It's not really a like or dislike situation, we just do not find it acceptable in our culture for people to walk around with their head and face covered day to day. It's a difficult situation where we have to enforce it with laws, but unfortunately there is no other way.

You don't find it acceptable, most do. People where full face helmets every day and that is acceptable? They don't need to keep them on while popping into the petrol station or shop but they can do in most cases.

Their faces are not even covered with the burkinis.

In the end, it is you that does not find it acceptable BECAUSE you dislike it for whatever reason. It certainly is not an issue with safety. The reasons i hear is 'incompatibility' and 'culture clash', all words dancing around the fact that they are from somewhere else than you and you dislike the meeting of any of those differences.

I have no issue with them wearing it but i find it silly there is ardent support for the ban. I see no benefits to the ban and only negatives due to a furthering divide as a result of abrasion caused by needless 'them and us' attitude. I don't like how the anti-Muslim voter has become a big enough brand of voter, that it is worth pursuing with policies to appease them and undermine the freedoms of others.

Nothing to do with hypocrisy, i dont agree with what goes on in the east in terms of many oppressive laws but i expect better from the more west.

 

[Delvis]

There are more if you google it, it isn't hard to find.

Yes there are, I read an article of people swimming with them on. In a country where 90% of the population are Muslim. Unless you've seen it happen on Brighton beach or something?

 

[Delvis]

You don't find it acceptable, most do. People where full face helmets every day and that is acceptable? They don't need to keep them on while popping into the petrol station or shop but they can do in most cases.

Their faces are not even covered with the burkinis.

In the end, it is you that does not find it acceptable BECAUSE you dislike it for whatever reason. It certainly is not an issue with safety. The reasons i hear is 'incompatibility' and 'culture clash', all words dancing around the fact that they are from somewhere else than you and you dislike the meeting of any of those differences.

Without sounding too harsh, I know people who went to Abu Dhabi what, five+ years ago? And they had to wear clothes that covered up their arms and legs in public to not offend anyone.

So you can see why some people get up in arms about it

 

[asim18]

So I was rather unaware of this until this morning and decided to google "what is a burkini" and this came up.

Am i missing something? What or who is offended by this? I wouldn't wear one but seems ok to me. Why anyone would be "banned" from wearing that on a public beach seems like hysteria to me

Exactly!

People with an agenda are offended by it.

To a person who isn't retarded, it's merely a swimming cap, a long sleeve t-shirt, and some leggings. But by simply combining them together and labelling it "Islamic", certain people idiots with nothing better to worry about start foaming at the mouth.

 

[Crpwned]

Exactly!

People with an agenda are offended by it.

To a person who isn't retarded, it's merely a swimming cap, a long sleeve t-shirt, and some leggings. But by simply combining them together and labelling it "Islamic", certain people idiots with nothing better to worry about start foaming at the mouth.

Hey! They could have an Ak47 or RPG hidden underneath there for all we know!

#rationalfears

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Without sounding too harsh, I know people who went to Abu Dhabi what, five+ years ago? And they had to wear clothes that covered up their arms and legs in public to not offend anyone.

So you can see why some people get up in arms about it

Would you not expect better from the west than to have a ban on burkinis though?

I can understand covering up if you go to those countries. I dont agree with it but you do it to avoid conflict. I would hope that over time, their policies become more moderate. Over here, we have had a culture of religious freedom and expression. This ban just encourages a train of thought in the wrong direction and increases conflict by taking away freedom. The law just makes alienating Muslims seem more acceptable.

Burkinis were never an issue before. The only thing that has changed is that idiots are pushing to alienate Muslims for the sake of it.

 

[deuse]

Exactly!

People with an agenda are offended by it.

You mean like the people that get offended by people drawing cartoons of a certain person and killing them.

So they must have a agenda too

 

[Delvis]

Would you not expect better from the west than to have a ban on burkinis though?

I can understand covering up if you go to those countries. I dont agree with it but you do it to avoid conflict. I would hope that over time, their policies become more moderate. Over here, we have had a culture of religious freedom and expression. This ban just encourages a train of thought in the wrong direction and increases conflict by taking away freedom. The law just makes alienating Muslims seem more acceptable.

Burkinis were never an issue before. The only thing that has changed is that idiots are pushing to alienate Muslims for the sake of it.

I agree, I'm merely pointing out why some people have the thoughts that they do

Personally I think the Niqab and Burka are ridiculous, why anyone would voluntarily wear either I don't know bit who am I to judge? I'm not particularly religious so I guess I wouldn't see the connection for wanting to wear something like that. If the wearer is comfortable then good for them.

I can however also see why some countries feel the need to ban things that cover the full face, they do however need to extend that to everything, bike helmets in shops and other head swim wear that covers the face unless it's been used during its intended activity....but that would be applying logic to the situation.

 

[RaohNS]

This ban just encourages a train of thought in the wrong direction and increases conflict by taking away freedom. The law just makes alienating Muslims seem more acceptable.

Burkinis were never an issue before. The only thing that has changed is that idiots are pushing to alienate Muslims for the sake of it.

It does in some respects, but at a time when collectively freedoms are being taken away doesn't help.

It is a reaction to multiple and repeated atrocities and instances of public anger.

Other than lynching there are whole swathes of people who have to put it simply had enough. This ban has now been over turned but already we see right wing sentiment growing. Le Pen is growing, surging maybe. The more attacks we see and hear of and the more pandering people see the worse it becomes.

There are serious fundamental flaws in all religions, Islam more than most and its because of these flaws it cannot be altered for the best.

 

[RaohNS]

You mean like the people that get offended by people drawing cartoons of a certain person and killing them.

So they must have a agenda too

Strange but true.

 

[Arazi]

You mean like the people that get offended by people drawing cartoons of a certain person and killing them.

So they must have a agenda too

I forgot about those