At what point will gender equality stop

cheesyboy said:
It doesn't really matter what the reasons are (and, frankly, having worked in the past for a couple of <10 employee businesses - you're doing something pretty wrong if one person being on the piddling amount of SMP you pay, and absent for perhaps a year, is causing the business to go to the wall), the fact is that what you describe is exactly the gender inequality that feminism is fighting to remove.

You're ruling out hiring a woman on the basis that she's a woman. Because some women have children.

Lots of people in this thread seem to think there's no such thing as gender inequality, or that it's just men who are suffering it. You take a different view - that gender inequality is perfectly excusable. Truthfully, you're far from alone - which is why such inequality exists.
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I'm not saying it's excusable, I'm giving you the reality of the situation and you're complaining without offering any solutions. Maybe it is a small company, but 1 person at that company can do a very specific job that needs an expensive training course, what do you do if you spend that money on training a woman and she goes on Maternity for the next 2-3 years? That's thousands down the drain
 
Roar87 said:
I'm not saying it's excusable, I'm giving you the reality of the situation and you're complaining without offering any solutions. Maybe it is a small company, but 1 person at that company can do a very specific job that needs an expensive training course, what do you do if you spend that money on training a woman and she goes on Maternity for the next 2-3 years? That's thousands down the drain
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What do you do if they leave the company, regardless of gender? That's thousands down the drain. Does the company go to the wall?

I've left twice as many jobs as my wife has had children. Every time I'm replaced, it costs the company many thousands in recruitment fees to replace me.
 
cheesyboy said:
What do you do if they leave the company, regardless of gender? That's thousands down the drain. Does the company go to the wall?
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That's one variable that's inescapable, though you can minimise the chance of people leaving by making sure they're happy and treated well. You can't really do anything if Sarah decides to have 3 kids back to back after accepting a promotion that Mark got turned down for and is having to do anyway, till Sarah decides whether she wants to come back to work or not.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
But if they choose not to, we're all affected. It's in society's best interests to make sure that we're making babies and that they're being brought up properly.
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I don't disagree, in fact I thought I was pretty clear that I agree society has an interest and that we can create the conditions to support that: welfare, maternity leave etc.

But that doesn't change the fact it's not necessarily in a businesses interest. There is a conflict of interests, which is what the earlier poster was commenting on.

Couples choose to have children.
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No. Women have exclusive control over whether they choose to carry a child to term. The man decides if they want to try and have a child, but the woman decides if they have a child.
 
how can a women be = to a man ?

its proven scientifically that men are naturally stronger.

so they can not be equal. :p
 
i do always wonder, being in engineering, how women can feel themselves attracted to such a career when the moment they do all they get is middle aged men asking "so what is it like to be a woman in engineering?"

its interesting watching shows like the island, the men brag about strength etc, then after a few weeks burn themselves out leaving the women to sort things out as they're the only ones with any strength left.

terry pratchett put it very well in monstrous regiment talking about female soldiers (albeit for the plot disguised as men):
"did you promote them if they were as good as men?"
"good heavens no, i promoted them if they were better than men"
 
adolf hamster said:
i do always wonder, being in engineering, how women can feel themselves attracted to such a career when the moment they do all they get is middle aged men asking "so what is it like to be a woman in engineering?"
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The roots of this are still down to our education and parents influencing their female children subconsciously. I recall listening to Brian Cox's input on the science budget and STEM had a 50/50 male/female divide in some of the school and university schemes when done right.
 
malachi said:
Not if the women doesn't know who the father of their child is :p
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They just want those good genes then the beta can come along and provide for the kids after Chad leaves.

Believe it or not a lot of equality issues in our society now stem from white knights/beta's who massively inflate women's egos and will do anything for as much as a glance from a female.
 
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Zethor said:
we need more women in politics, science, engineering and yes, even CEO positions.
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Why?

Zethor said:
There are not significant differences between men and women in terms of intellect so the only explanation for the current lack of balance is the nature of our culture. We have to change it using any means, including positive descrimination.
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So sexism is okay?

Zethor said:
It is a waste of potential to push 51% of our population out of positions such as the one I mentioned through cultural pressure or sexism.
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Now sexism is not okay?
 
Zethor said:
We have to change it using any means, including positive descrimination.
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That's cool man, you'll be sure to make sure a Woman of lesser ability is given your next promotion at work. Make sure you specifically ask your boss to overlook you no matter how much more suited you are to the role
 
Longbow said:
Why?



So sexism is okay?



Now sexism is not okay?
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Read my post a few more times, the answers to your questions are there.


Roar87 said:
That's cool man, you'll be sure to make sure a Woman of lesser ability is given your next promotion at work. Make sure you specifically ask your boss to overlook you no matter how much more suited you are to the role
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You should try to go beyond anecdotes and focus more on abstract ideas to understand my view.
 
Ayahuasca said:
They just want those good genes then the beta can come along and provide for the kids after Chad leaves.

Believe it or not a lot of equality issues in our society now stem from white knights/beta's who massively inflate women's egos and will do anything for as much as a glance from a female.
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just FYI, this isn't 4chan
 
Burnsy2023 said:
This is not an issue for women. This is an issue for society and is values based. Society needs children to be raised.

Many of the gender gap statistics that are quoted take raising children into account. My opinion is that it's better for parents to raise their children rather than external nannies or child carers. So that means that at least one of the parents needs to stay home and fulfil that role and current societal norms mean that it's more acceptable for that to be mum rather than dad. Who's fault is that? It's societies fault for having that social norm and so it means society needs to decide to compensate for that.
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Good luck trying to survive on one wage and having a meaningful life.
 
Zethor said:
You should try to go beyond anecdotes and focus more on abstract ideas to understand my view.
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Seriously, would you personally be happy to be a victim of positive discrimination and overlooked for a promotion? It's easy to say that it should happen for the good of womenkind, till it comes to actual people deserving of a promotion missing out to people less qualified than themselves.
 
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