Can a cisgendered actor play a trans character?

Why would I ever need to use any term at all? The only time it'd be relevant is if a woman showed some interest and even then she'd probably be able to pick out fairly quickly that I'm just an average Joe (although this doesn't even matter any more as I'm married) and if anyone else were to ask they'd simply be told it's none of their business.
 
Well 'CIS' is often used in a derogatory manner, is it OK for some elderly white people to carry on referring to black people as 'coloureds' because that is their terminology from decades ago?

Precisely, i often have to give my grandma a nudge as she still uses the term 'darkies'. She doesn't mean it in a derogatory manner but offense can still be taken.
 
In fairness if you don't use the term cisgender what term would you use? At least "cis" is the Latin opposite of "trans".

Why do you need use anything? It is the trans person who deviates from the norm.

Do we have a special term for people who don't suffer from anxiety or depression? Why do we need a special term for people who don't suffer from gender disorders?

Socially people can be men, women, whatever they like. If people want to highlight that their biological gender is different from their social gender then that is up to them, it doesn't require that a special opposing label be created for normal people.
 
Why would I ever need to use any term at all? The only time it'd be relevant is if a woman showed some interest and even then she'd probably be able to pick out fairly quickly that I'm just an average Joe (although this doesn't even matter any more as I'm married) and if anyone else were to ask they'd simply be told it's none of their business.

It's a descriptive term. You'd use it to describe people, it doesn't actually have to be used to describe yourself (you are allowed to talk about other people, even today).

Frankly it's a word. Why care that much about a word? It's shorter than writing "not transgendered" as well.
 
Why do you need use anything? It is the trans person who deviates from the norm.

Do we have a special term for people who don't suffer from anxiety or depression? Why do we need a special term for people who don't suffer from gender disorders?

Socially people can be men, women, whatever they like. If people want to highlight that their biological gender is different from their social gender then that is up to them, it doesn't require that a special opposing label be created for normal people.

Why not have a word for it other than some odd sense of offense that you'll be classified as something other than "the norm"?
 
so is the n word, so is 'coloureds'

why care about a word indeed?

I don't care about those words.

They can be used as an insult in which case the usage should be cared about, but then so are the words "homosexual", "gay", "homo" etc. used as an insult. It doesn't stop them being able to be used in a sensible or non offensive manner. As an example, see the "n word" used in much popular black culture.
 
is it OK for some elderly white people to carry on referring to black people as 'coloureds' because that is their terminology from decades ago?

Ok by what standard of judgement?

In fairness if you don't use the term cisgender what term would you use? At least "cis" is the Latin opposite of "trans".

You use male and female.
 
Why not have a word for it other than some odd sense of offense that you'll be classified as something other than "the norm"?

I don't see a need for it, as I've already explained in the post I've just quoted. Perhaps you could also address the question there?

Do we have a special term for people who don't suffer from anxiety or depression? Why do we need a special term for people who don't suffer from gender disorders?
 
I don't care about those words.

you might not but others certainly do. Do you think it is acceptable for a white person to refer to black people as 'coloureds' for example?

That black people use/reclaim the n word isn't very relevant here as, unless you live under a rock, you know full well that it is incredibly offensive in general use.
 
I don't see a need for it, as I've already explained in the post I've just quoted.

Unfortunately in life there are other people's opinions as well. I don't particularly care either way, but I can see how it would have a use. For example, maybe someone would want to do a social study to see the prevalence of homo/hetero/a-sexuality in a sample of cis and trans gendered individuals.

Perhaps you could also address the question there?

Healthy obviously as anxiety and depression are termed illnesses.
 
you might not but others certainly do. Do you think it is acceptable for a white person to refer to black people as 'coloureds' for example?

That black people use/reclaim the n word isn't very relevant here as, unless you live under a rock, you know full well that it is incredibly offensive in general use.

As said I don't think words are offensive, I think the usage is. Context is important. Hence the example of the n word. Context is important. It can be incredibly offensive, but it can be used in circumstances where it isn't.
 
Healthy obviously as anxiety and depression are termed illnesses.

No, not obviously.

So someone who is morbidly obese, with diabetes but doesn't suffer from anxiety is 'healthy'?

It doesn't work like that.

Gender disorder is a mental disorder just as anxiety and depression are - so the question still stands if you care to attempt another answer?
 
As said I don't think words are offensive, I think the usage is. Context is important. Hence the example of the n word. Context is important. It can be incredibly offensive, but it can be used in circumstances where it isn't.

Very limited circumstances, mostly when used by black people themselves. But if you can't see that the n word is extremely offensive when used by non-black people aside from in very very limited circumstances then there isn't much point in continuing that chain of discussion.
 
No, not obviously.

So someone who is morbidly obese, with diabetes but doesn't suffer from anxiety is 'healthy'?

No, because someone who is morbidly obese isn't classified as healthy...

It doesn't work like that.

Gender disorder is a mental disorder just as anxiety and depression are - so the question still stands if you care to attempt another answer?

Gender disorder isn't considered a mental illness. So no, I don't care to attempt another answer.
 
Very limited circumstances, mostly when used by black people themselves. But if you can't see that the n word is extremely offensive when used by non-black people aside from in very very limited circumstances then there isn't much point in continuing that chain of discussion.

On the basis I've been able to use the n word to black people without offensive suggests your experience of when it can be used non offensively is limited.

Edit: I have to say Dowie, I always interpreted you to be more liberal than I've seen recently.

Edit 2: And more aware of the nuances of life than you appear to be at the moment.
 
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On the basis I've been able to use the n word to black people without offensive suggests your experience of when it can be used non offensively is limited.

As I've already pointed out if you can't understand that basic point that the n word is (in wider usage) very offensive then that chain of discussion is a bit pointless. And no, I don't care if your bestist mate is black.
 
As I've already pointed out if you can't understand that basic point that the n word is (in wider usage) very offensive then that chain of discussion is a bit pointless. And no, I don't care if your bestist mate is black.

I'm from posh Essex. It's full of old white people.
 
No, because someone who is morbidly obese isn't classified as healthy...

exactly thus 'healthy' doesn't work as an answer, it is a term for someone who is healthy in general not specific to anxiety

cis is specific to gender disorders

Gender disorder isn't considered a mental illness. So no, I don't care to attempt another answer.

Yes it is:

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender dysphoria fact sheet.pdf

The point still stands - why do we need a term for people not suffering from gender disorders? Do you think there should be a term for people who don't suffer from anxiety? Depression? Cancer? etc..

Point was that people with these disorders or illnesses deviate from the norm, every condition doesn't require an opposite term for people who don't have that condition. CIS is frequently used in a derogatory manner by a fringe group so it is hardly surprising that some people object to it.
 
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