Wish we'd got rid. He's a liability to injuring the other squad players as well as himself.
Incoming ' training ground clash breaks Pogba's back '
Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.
Would have happily paid someone to take him off our hands
Curious one by Levy as he is usually such a canny negotiator
With Wilshere he went from 3 CC starts and 5 sub appearances in 3 other competitions at 16(his birthday is middle of the season), to 17 starts and 3 subs at 17, which is a fairly large increase, most of those were second half of the season for Bolton, to.... 48 freaking starts and 7 sub appearances......
He was incredibly talented as a young player. I saw him make his debut in the Emirates cup at 16, MOTM both matches (despite coming on as sub in at least one of them). Then back in 2011 against Barcelona (at the time, arguably one of the greatest club sides ever) he stood out so much, a very rare occasion where you see a midfielder on the team with less possession seemingly to boss the game. That night I said he would soon take over from Fabregas (who looked very ordinary by comparison) as captain before long, but of course it never happened.
HOWEVER - as we all know, his potential has not yet been fully realised. I still think, if (IF) he could stay fit, and get a run of games playing in the centre (not on the wing), that he is good enough to be playing for England. As regards Arsenal, the problem they have is the best place to field him would be alongside Xhaka, but that leaves a conundrum in terms of how you fit Cazorla in when Ozil is playing.
Bournemouth is an interesting one, on the one hand Eddie Howe is the best English manager I've seen for a long time and is fascinating to hear talking at length. I think potentially he could get a lot out of Wilshere and structure their play to suit him. On the other hand, they are the sort of club that could have a very mediocre season and make it hard for him to establish himself as part of a successful regime.
If he gets another long term injury I think Arsenal may look to get shot of him. The problem with him seems to be he picks up supposedly fairly straightforward injuries that drag on and on. He once missed 15 months off the back of a "3 week" preseason injury. How much of that is down to Arsenal's methods/training regime/medical staff, who knows, but the jury is still out on his fitness. I'm sure part of it is because he tends to overrun the ball a bit, lets it get a little too far away from his body and then stretches/dives in to try and recover it.
Hasn't he effectively been given away for free?
It is an effective way to spread the payment out over a longer period of time.
Anyone know what would be the difference in loaning for 3 years and just paying in instalments?
It's an excellent move; it allows Chelsea to lower Cuadrado's annual cost significantly without making a potential ~big~ loss on him (saw somewhere that this could be ~10.5m annual down to under 1m) with regard to financial fair play (Juve are paying an annual fee + bonuses, + wages, then potential final fee).
I just articulated myself badly.
Juve are paying loan fee + wages + bonuses, then a potential future fee and then outlay on contract.
I suppose that over 5 years it might make little difference, but it could work out at longer depending on contract length when/if signed by Juve.
Im sure i read Juve are paying 5mil a season and no more....this would include the wages anyway so in reality surely Chelsea arent actually gaining anything? Other then not paying his salary obviously.
Im sure i read Juve are paying 5mil a season and no more....this would include the wages anyway so in reality surely Chelsea arent actually gaining anything? Other then not paying his salary obviously.
You're looking at figures comparing keeping him to loaning him rather than a sale or loan. Had Chelsea sold him then there would no longer be any annual costs - there'd be a one-off loss on this set of accounts and that would be it. The only advantage to Chelsea is rather than losing £x in one go, they can spread that £x over the life of the loan.
Juve announced the deal as €5m per year with the option to purchase him for a total cost of €25m (including the loan fee paid). There's nothing to say wages are included in that €5m so I'd assume it isn't.
So who was worth £30million more, David Luiz or Moussa Sissoko?
Should be an interesting question as the year develops!
That's true, but I'd imagine there is more room for potential profit in a deal like this for Chelsea. I think it is excellent business.
They could have made the loss this summer if they sold him for not enough to cover the remaining amortisation costs... or they could do what they've done and delay it/continue to spread it out, and then at the end of the loan sell him and perhaps make a profit in that year (on Cuadrado) for the purposes of FFP. That's one of the benefits I can see, I think.