Summer Transfer Window 2016/17 - Rumours & Signings

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Wish we'd got rid. He's a liability to injuring the other squad players as well as himself.

Incoming ' training ground clash breaks Pogba's back '

Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.

Would have happily paid someone to take him off our hands



Curious one by Levy as he is usually such a canny negotiator
 
Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.

Would have happily paid someone to take him off our hands



Curious one by Levy as he is usually such a canny negotiator

I think that Levy has had some bargains so that becomes the "norm" when in fact £30m was £15m a couple of seasons ago, not exactly like Spurs can't afford it - most prem clubs are minted at the moment.

As for Sissoko's form? well Demelle was infuriatingly lazy / slow and went missing for entire games, now after one season with Pochettino, he is arguably our most missed player when not on the pitch.
 
I just can't understand why you'd buy him for that money when you already had Mason there (a serviceable and young English player) alongside a central midfield unit that is absolutely STACKED: Dier, Dembele, Wanyama, N'Koudou, Alli, Eriksen, Son, Lamela etc. I get the last four are more wide/attacking midfield minded, but the point applies that there's enough depth there already.
 
With Wilshere he went from 3 CC starts and 5 sub appearances in 3 other competitions at 16(his birthday is middle of the season), to 17 starts and 3 subs at 17, which is a fairly large increase, most of those were second half of the season for Bolton, to.... 48 freaking starts and 7 sub appearances......

Fabregas did the same thing, many players that break through at a young age, go on to start lots of games, Rooney too, list as long as your arm really. It's the way Wilshere plays that created his injuries. He's a small slight guy but has the tenacious mentality of a defensive midfielder who loves to put a tackle in. 15yo kids aren't playing 10 games a year before they break through, they play for hours everyday. Fitness is not the issue, it's the strength of a kid that matters more. like i said, Wilshere has never helped himself with having literally the polar opposite mentality to his physical attributes. He's finally realising it now, that's why he doesn't get stuck in half as much as he used to.
 
He was incredibly talented as a young player. I saw him make his debut in the Emirates cup at 16, MOTM both matches (despite coming on as sub in at least one of them). Then back in 2011 against Barcelona (at the time, arguably one of the greatest club sides ever) he stood out so much, a very rare occasion where you see a midfielder on the team with less possession seemingly to boss the game. That night I said he would soon take over from Fabregas (who looked very ordinary by comparison) as captain before long, but of course it never happened.

HOWEVER - as we all know, his potential has not yet been fully realised. I still think, if (IF) he could stay fit, and get a run of games playing in the centre (not on the wing), that he is good enough to be playing for England. As regards Arsenal, the problem they have is the best place to field him would be alongside Xhaka, but that leaves a conundrum in terms of how you fit Cazorla in when Ozil is playing.

Bournemouth is an interesting one, on the one hand Eddie Howe is the best English manager I've seen for a long time and is fascinating to hear talking at length. I think potentially he could get a lot out of Wilshere and structure their play to suit him. On the other hand, they are the sort of club that could have a very mediocre season and make it hard for him to establish himself as part of a successful regime.

If he gets another long term injury I think Arsenal may look to get shot of him. The problem with him seems to be he picks up supposedly fairly straightforward injuries that drag on and on. He once missed 15 months off the back of a "3 week" preseason injury. How much of that is down to Arsenal's methods/training regime/medical staff, who knows, but the jury is still out on his fitness. I'm sure part of it is because he tends to overrun the ball a bit, lets it get a little too far away from his body and then stretches/dives in to try and recover it.

I think it was an interesting move to Bournemouth. Firstly, I'm not sure I would go as far as to say Howe is the best manager for a while, but I certainly think he is a good manager and even better, he has a footballing philosophy.

Wilshire was linked with three clubs; Roma, Bournemouth, and Crystal Palace. The obvious choice, in terms of quality is Roma! However, it's a change of culture, and there is no guarantee of starting. Wilshire faced tough competition for places in that Roma midfield, however I heard that he was 'happy' to join, Roma would pay ~4~ million euro a year and cover the majority of his wages but there was no guarantee over starting matches given the competition.

He was given much more promise of playing time at Bournemouth and Palace, but then it became personal preference. Apparently he met Pardew and promptly signed for Bournemouth :D.

I like Howe, Wilshire could do well under him providing he stays fit. I see this in a similar way, his last chance, as his contract is fast running out. I just don't rate him as highly as the Arsenal lot, I think he's nothing more than a good midfielder and as happens so often, has failed to live up to his potential.

Also; Sideshow Bob is back at Chelsea... amazing! Such a last minute buy!
 
I am so happy we got 30 mill for sissoko.

If spurs have a bad season and don't qualify for the champions league he'll start again.....arsenal this and arsenal that
 
It is an effective way to spread the payment out over a longer period of time :cool:.

What? Are you talking about it being beneficial for Juve? If so I can't see how it would make any difference. Any fees clubs pay (whether they pay in lump sums or installments) are spread over the players contract.

Juve are paying Chelsea a loan fee of €5m per season but have the option of signing him for a total of €25m (including any loan fee they pay). If Juve bought him outright for €25m and gave him a 5 year contract they'd only record still be recording an expense of €5m per season (€25m/5years).

The only way I can make sense of this deal is that Juve didn't want to committ to spending €25m on him and took the safer option of loaning him with the option to buy him. And from Chelsea's point of view it's better for them from a FFP point of view to accept this sort of deal rather than a reduced transfer fee to get rid of him altogether. If they sold him now for less than his book value they'd record a loss at whatever the difference is. By loaning him at €5m per season that €5m will go a long way to covering him amotisation (the cost Chelsea record per season based on his initial fee/contract)
Anyone know what would be the difference in loaning for 3 years and just paying in instalments?

Very simply put Juve are covering their backside. They're only committing to paying €15m with the option of paying an extra €10m to keep him.
 
It's an excellent move; it allows Chelsea to lower Cuadrado's annual cost significantly without making a potential ~big~ loss on him (saw somewhere that this could be ~10.5m annual down to under 1m) with regard to financial fair play (Juve are paying an annual fee + bonuses, + wages, then potential final fee).

I just articulated myself badly.

Juve are paying loan fee + wages + bonuses, then a potential future fee and then outlay on contract.

I suppose that over 5 years it might make little difference, but it could work out at longer depending on contract length when/if signed by Juve.
 
Im sure i read Juve are paying 5mil a season and no more....this would include the wages anyway so in reality surely Chelsea arent actually gaining anything? Other then not paying his salary obviously.
 
It's an excellent move; it allows Chelsea to lower Cuadrado's annual cost significantly without making a potential ~big~ loss on him (saw somewhere that this could be ~10.5m annual down to under 1m) with regard to financial fair play (Juve are paying an annual fee + bonuses, + wages, then potential final fee).

I just articulated myself badly.

Juve are paying loan fee + wages + bonuses, then a potential future fee and then outlay on contract.

I suppose that over 5 years it might make little difference, but it could work out at longer depending on contract length when/if signed by Juve.

You're looking at figures comparing keeping him to loaning him rather than a sale or loan. Had Chelsea sold him then there would no longer be any annual costs - there'd be a one-off loss on this set of accounts and that would be it. The only advantage to Chelsea is rather than losing £x in one go, they can spread that £x over the life of the loan.

Im sure i read Juve are paying 5mil a season and no more....this would include the wages anyway so in reality surely Chelsea arent actually gaining anything? Other then not paying his salary obviously.

Juve announced the deal as €5m per year with the option to purchase him for a total cost of €25m (including the loan fee paid). There's nothing to say wages are included in that €5m so I'd assume it isn't.
 
Im sure i read Juve are paying 5mil a season and no more....this would include the wages anyway so in reality surely Chelsea arent actually gaining anything? Other then not paying his salary obviously.

I would be surprised if his wages are included, it has been named as a loan fee, the loan fee would barely cover his wage cost per year.

You're looking at figures comparing keeping him to loaning him rather than a sale or loan. Had Chelsea sold him then there would no longer be any annual costs - there'd be a one-off loss on this set of accounts and that would be it. The only advantage to Chelsea is rather than losing £x in one go, they can spread that £x over the life of the loan.



Juve announced the deal as €5m per year with the option to purchase him for a total cost of €25m (including the loan fee paid). There's nothing to say wages are included in that €5m so I'd assume it isn't.

That's true, but I'd imagine there is more room for potential profit in a deal like this for Chelsea. I think it is excellent business.
 
That's true, but I'd imagine there is more room for potential profit in a deal like this for Chelsea. I think it is excellent business.

Why? The overall effect is the same whether they sold him outright for €25m now or this loan + option to buy. The only two reasons for the deal being structured like this is that it gives Juve a get out if he flops and Chelsea can spread any loss they may make over 3 years rather than it all going on this years books.
 
They could have made the loss this summer if they sold him for not enough to cover the remaining amortisation costs... or they could do what they've done and delay it/continue to spread it out, and then at the end of the loan sell him and perhaps make a profit in that year (on Cuadrado) for the purposes of FFP. That's one of the benefits I can see, I think.

The deal is agreed though. It's €25m total including any loan fee Juve pay. Whether they sell him for €25m now or spread it over 3 years, it's still only going to be €25m.

As above it's just away of them spreading any loss over 3 years rather than taking it all now.
 
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