Why are you only including league apps though?
Why are you only including league apps though?
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League appearances are a good stats levelling of the playing field. Player A scores 35 goals, Player B scores 22, who is better. Now Player A scored 10 in the CC, 4 in the FAC, 3 in the CL and only 18 in the league in 38 games, player B scored all 22 in the league and in only 35 games.
When you're trying to say player B is objectively not very good, and he has barely played so it's only in his absence that people rated him.... league appearances mean nothing. He had a single season in which he missed the whole thing after breaking his ankle. He was absolutely fantastic in the year before that, he has been mostly excellent in the 3 seasons after the major injury in which he appeared many more times than is required for fans to objectively decide if he's good or not.
he played 23 times last year, not 3, and it was pretty easy to see how good he was. Again he came in at the end of the season and added a sharpness of movement, quickness in attack, a level of turning defence into offence that we don't usually have and some brilliant one-twos. He has excellent movement, but he has that thing where he turns a player as the ball comes in and drives forwards every time it's feasible.
He is a genuinely very good player who has had his early career shredded by injury, but not as badly as you obviously think. The idea we haven't seen him enough due to injury to have a fair opinion is simply completely made up. A player like Diaby you could make that kind of claim, but a guy who appeared an average of 30 times a season in the past 3 seasons, honestly it's insane to make that kind of argument in Wilshere's case.
Hopefully there are at least two kids coming through who are ahead of Jones in the pecking order in JM's mind apart from Bailly
The only concern with that is the ACoN (and potential injuries) which might put a spanner in the works.
I would have thought Jones will have another injury at that point anyway
Hasn't he effectively been given away for free?
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Hopefully there are at least two kids coming through who are ahead of Jones in the pecking order in JM's mind apart from Bailly
The only concern with that is the ACoN (and potential injuries) which might put a spanner in the works.
I would have thought Jones will have another injury at that point anyway
Wish we'd got rid. He's a liability to injuring the other squad players as well as himself.
Incoming ' training ground clash breaks Pogba's back '
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sissoko is a spurs player
deal sheet signed to get it through
bloody hell i think this could be money down the drain
maybe poch can get something out of him
I will just leave this here
"SISSOKO'S LOVE FOR... ARSENAL?
Before appearing for France at Euro 2016, new Tottenham signing Moussa Sissoko had this to say about a certain club in north London...
"Everyone knows, I often said it when I was young, Arsenal is the club of my heart, because there were quite a few French players there like Thierry Henry, Robert Pires, Sylvain Wiltord, Patrick Vieira who was my idol…
"The beautiful Arsenal. We will see. I cannot tell you if I am going to go to Arsenal. For the moment, I am focused on the French national team and the Euros."
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So who was worth £30million more, David Luiz or Moussa Sissoko?
Should be an interesting question as the year develops!
Should be an interesting question as the year develops!
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I would have taken 30p for sissoko and driven him out of Newcastle myself, a world beater on his day but you only get 3-4 of those days a season also I think he had scored about 6 goals in 3 years
lol, neither of them. Absolute madness. Luiz is a liability and not good enough for a team like Chelsea. Sissoko literally played the game of his life in the Euros final and usually is a 5/10 at best. It was like he saved up all his talent and work rate for the season and spent it in that one game.
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Yeah I should have made it more clear that I think neither are worth half the money paid for them let alone think they're value for money. I hope Spurs know what they are doing and can bring out Euro 2016 Sissoko rather than Toon Sissoko though.
What the hell is it with the British press / Football pundits and Jack Wilshire?
Seriously, the longer he's out injured the better he gets, Chris Sutton is talking like Wilshire is the great white hope.
He's an incredibly overrated player, who's injury plagued, and would struggle to get near that Arsenal midfield.
He was incredibly talented as a young player. I saw him make his debut in the Emirates cup at 16, MOTM both matches (despite coming on as sub in at least one of them). Then back in 2011 against Barcelona (at the time, arguably one of the greatest club sides ever) he stood out so much, a very rare occasion where you see a midfielder on the team with less possession seemingly to boss the game. That night I said he would soon take over from Fabregas (who looked very ordinary by comparison) as captain before long, but of course it never happened.
HOWEVER - as we all know, his potential has not yet been fully realised. I still think, if (IF) he could stay fit, and get a run of games playing in the centre (not on the wing), that he is good enough to be playing for England. As regards Arsenal, the problem they have is the best place to field him would be alongside Xhaka, but that leaves a conundrum in terms of how you fit Cazorla in when Ozil is playing.
Bournemouth is an interesting one, on the one hand Eddie Howe is the best English manager I've seen for a long time and is fascinating to hear talking at length. I think potentially he could get a lot out of Wilshere and structure their play to suit him. On the other hand, they are the sort of club that could have a very mediocre season and make it hard for him to establish himself as part of a successful regime.
If he gets another long term injury I think Arsenal may look to get shot of him. The problem with him seems to be he picks up supposedly fairly straightforward injuries that drag on and on. He once missed 15 months off the back of a "3 week" preseason injury. How much of that is down to Arsenal's methods/training regime/medical staff, who knows, but the jury is still out on his fitness. I'm sure part of it is because he tends to overrun the ball a bit, lets it get a little too far away from his body and then stretches/dives in to try and recover it.
By loaning him they've spread the loss over a number of years rather than taken the hit in 1 go on this set of accounts.
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From what I recall his 15 months out were from a stress fracture, Wenger/Arsenal treated it as a minor issue then required major surgery, pinning then much later on required changing the pins because one was sticking out past the bone, it healed a bit off or something.
Honestly if you look at those appearance numbers I put the fault of stress fractures almost entirely on Wenger.
Look at other players full stop, but all top players too. First year as a teenagers, say 10 appearances, 3-4 starts rest sub. Second year 10 starts, 15 sub appearances all competitions, 3rd year, 20 starts 10 subs. There is both an experience, a fitness and a physical building up of a player.
With Wilshere he went from 3 CC starts and 5 sub appearances in 3 other competitions at 16(his birthday is middle of the season), to 17 starts and 3 subs at 17, which is a fairly large increase, most of those were second half of the season for Bolton, to.... 48 freaking starts and 7 sub appearances......
Keep in mind, Ronaldo is a genetic freak of nature, at the same age, Ronaldo had 28 league games for Utd, but it was 14 starts, 14 subs, Wilshere was 31 starts, 4 subs..... this is how you break players. Now Ronaldo had other games, 5 fac starts, 3 ucl(and 2 sub) and 1 CC game... but even those are less bad than Wilshere again who had 7 CL starts(harder, more travel, etc), 5CC starts, 4 starts for England, 1 start FAC. A genetic freak of nature... was well protected and not thrown in at the deep end AND Ronaldo had played a bigger second season than Wilshere, so 40 appearances total was the natural progression from the year before.
Wilshere was completely overtrained, it leaves you incredibly susceptible to injuries like stress fractures. He's a kid, he's not done growing and should be training hard but should have huge recovery periods and eating well to get through that. If instead of recovering you are playing 55 games in your first genuinely full season you are travelling a lot, travelling across europe for CL games which is new, stressful and tiring. A 30yr old is used to that workload, isn't still 'growing' and has become accustomed to it, expecting a kid who started the year as an 18 year old to recover the same is just ignorant and incompetent.
I blame Wenger nearly entirely for how Wilshere has turned out, he was too good so Wenger overused him, had zero wish to rotate him and effectively broke him. Problem is a lot of his repeat injuries have come both from the same ankle, but from probably overtraining and pushing too hard to get back from injury too early, being thrown back in the team too quickly most of the time, and from simply the injuries you often get coming back from a very long term injury.
Wenger is basically the only idiot with a monumental decade + long injury crisis that he has never adapted to and the only guy stupid enough to play such a young and small player that much that soon.
I suspect that any other manager would have built up him sensibly, 15 games the year before, 25-30 max that year, then not injured because not massively overplayed, 40 games the next year as with Ronaldo, then maybe 45-50, all this time increasing the ratio of starts to sub appearances. Had that happened he would likely have never picked up season ending injuries, missed out on 80% of the follow up injuries and been a monumentally important player for the past 4 years.
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