Car Suggestions - Around £10K

50mpg+ on a door-to-door trip mostly consisting of one end of the M3 to the other, for example, has been easily achievable with most diesel hire cars I've ever had for work. I doubt that'd be the case for most hot hatches though.
 
I'm genuinely surprised and a little disappointed. Perhaps I just drive like I'm on a Top Gear economy challenge when I'm on the motorway when compared with most people. :p

With the mileage I do it saves me a lot of money! If I drive at the pace of the outside lane traffic im lucky to get 600 miles from a tank. Driving how I do now I can get nearly 800 miles out of a tank.
 
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Low to mid 40s is probably doable from the Focus ST based on the fact my Mondeo (mostly the same engine and heavier car) will average just over 40mpg at the speed limit on the motorway. That's 70mph, not 55 or 65. So yes you could probably get 50mpg on the motorway from the Focus but doing so would require driving much slower than you would in the real world. They're hot hatches, not eco-monster MPG machines. There's nothing wrong with wanting decent MPG on a longer journey but 40-45mpg is pretty respectable really.
 
Acme said:
So are you telling me that a Golf GTI 2.0TSI or a Focus ST 250 wont get 50MPG on a good motorway run at 65~ MPH with smooth throttle inputs? If so then that kinda sucks. I thought things had moved on more than that. I obviously don't expect any will get close to that figure if you stick the cruise control to 80 and sit back. :p
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You can't say that is a 50 MPG car though, unless your only journey is on the motorway, and you never hit traffic it is pointless.
 
I doubt anyone could complete even a carefully driven journey in any of these cars at 50mpg. It's a nonsense claim.

Heck I can only just manage it in a diesel!
 
I got 74MPG indicated from my much slower diesel this morning. :p

I'm still baffled that from the claims of owners on here it seems that a 180HP Fiesta ST is barely more economical than an old 190HP Corolla with an engine first seen in 2001 when driven on the motorway...

Hey ho, sorry for derailing.
 
I had a 1.2 TSI Golf hire car a couple of years ago, with which I averaged just under 53mpg over 180 miles of mainly motorway and dual carriageway (at the speed limit, and door to door, not just reset between one end of the motorway and the other :p). That was quite impressive.

If the Celica can average 45MPG at 70mph then that might be down to the fact that it's more aerodynamic than a hatchback. Doesn't it rev quite highly though?
 
LiE said:
This thread is way too MPG focused.

OP - are you doing a lot miles?
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To be fair, his list of requirements did state he wanted something fast, and 50 mpg. Among other requirements. So the MPG bit is entirely relevant.

This would instantly, to me at least, reek of 2.0 diesel territory (although not fast, a modern one should crack the 150 BHP the OP mentioned).

Then it went onto hot-hatch talk, which will never realistically be a 50 mpg motor at this budget.

Of course, if the 50 mpg requirement was dropped, and he was looking for a 25-35 mpg average, then hot-hatches would be suitable.

For example, I haven't done enough miles in the Ed30 to properly asses it's "on a run" figure, but it's currently averaging around 28 mpg (I think it was about 32 on the run home, which was dual carriageway, at around 75 on cruise). But then it's use profile isn't for economy. It was bought for fun, and as such, has been driven appropriately.
 
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xs2man said:
To be fair, his list of requirements did state he wanted something fast, and 50 mpg. Among other requirements. So the MPG bit is entirely relevant.

This would instantly, to me at least, reek of 2.0 diesel territory (although not fast, a modern one should crack the 150 BHP the OP mentioned).

Then it went onto hot-hatch talk, which will never realistically be a 50 mpg motor at this budget.

Of course, if the 50 mpg requirement was dropped, and he was looking for a 25-35 mpg average, then hot-hatches would be suitable.
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Speed is more important but I would like 35/40mpg. It's difficult to put a figure on something that you don't know. Something that is fast but with a reasonable fuel efficiency, which from the discussion on here that would be around 35ish mpg petrol?
 
Yeah, probably. But then you wouldn't really be looking at the likes of a Golf GTI, unless you are relatively easy on the loud pedal. The Fiesta ST might be a better shout for that. With the smaller 1.6 Turbo rather than a 2.0T.
 
A mk 5/6 Golf GTI will do 40+ on a motorway with cruise control easily enough. Most modern hot hatches will but 50mpg is firmly in the realm of a diesel. If I get 35+ out of my Leon Cupra 180 I'm ecstatic!
 
Howard said:
If the Celica can average 45MPG at 70mph then that might be down to the fact that it's more aerodynamic than a hatchback. Doesn't it rev quite highly though?
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best run / typical run / long term mixed average (on a run I did an indicated 65)

Corolla 44.5 / 40 / 33
Celica 47 / NA / 24
Octavia 74 / 69 / 60 :D

Celica was better cos it had a longer 6th ratio (custom), the Corolla was doing about 4K at 70. Both redlined at 8.2K.

Anyway, even I'm bored of MPG figures now..
 
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Acme said:
Id imagine almost all of them Fox... If you know how to drive them properly. That ST180 for example should be easily capable of 50MPG on a run if driven right. Hell, I almost got 50MPG out of both my 2ZZ Toyotas, and they are not known for their economy! Things must have moved on since 2001 in terms of efficiency from a 200~HP engine!
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Hot Hatch
50MPG
"Drive them properly"
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Skillmister said:
Who buys a £10k petrol hot hatch to drive in maximum economy mode?
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Acme said:
So are you telling me that a Golf GTI 2.0TSI or a Focus ST 250 wont get 50MPG on a good motorway run at 65~ MPH with smooth throttle inputs? If so then that kinda sucks. I thought things had moved on more than that. I obviously don't expect any will get close to that figure if you stick the cruise control to 80 and sit back. :p
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If yer just pootlign about why are you lokoing at hot hatches? a 1L corsa or littel diseasel hatch will suit you fine :p

What on earth is this constant bleeting about hot hatches, MPG and economy?!?!

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If you're looking at hot hatches and ******** on about economy then yer looking at the wrong type of cars.

And yeah I'm 100% sure that ANY "hot hatch" that's "driven properly" Will never see 50mpg
 
I meant driven properly as in, when on the motorway trying to get good fuel economy.

I apologise if I didn't make myself clear :(

I guess my mentality when it comes to quick cars is different because I need to be able to squeeze decent economy out of them (when needed) to make it a justifiable purchase. (unless its not my main/only car)
 
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Acme said:
I meant driven properly as in, when on the motorway trying to get good fuel economy.

I apologise if I didn't make myself clear :(

I guess my mentality when it comes to quick cars is different because I need to be able to squeeze decent economy out of them (when needed) to make it a justifiable purchase. (unless its not my main/only car)
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I am ridiculously boring when it comes to care and fuel economy. I get silly amounts of enjoyment out of eeking great efficiency figures out of cars that probably shouldn't be that efficient.

The idea of 50mpg actual journeys on a £10k petrol hot hatchback is utter fantasy Acme.

Sorry - but it is. Topping 50mpg is something to be pleased with even in performance diesels let alone petrols.
 
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