Fabric loses it's license - Closes doors for good

neil_g said:
Fabric co-founders pretty damning hearing speech..

http://mixmag.net/read/fabric-co-founder-cameron-leslies-licensing-hearing-speech-is-now-online-news
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That's not damning, it's just a long whinge.

The decision to shut down Fabric was made by Islington Council in north London, which described a "culture of drugs" at the venue.

The club was closed temporarily earlier this year after the deaths of two teenagers. The Metropolitan Police claimed keeping Fabric open would cause further drug-related deaths.

...It has been criticised by several DJs and artists who have performed at the venue in the past.

..."Searches at the venue were inadequate," the licensing committee chair, Flora Williamson, commented. "Deaths at the club involved people who were very young."

In its report, the council said: "The extent of the drug use was such that security and staff would have or should have been able to observe not only the use of drugs but also the effect of drug use on a large number of patrons.

"Staff intervention and security was grossly inadequate in light of the overwhelming evidence that it was abundantly obvious that patrons in the club were on drugs and manifesting symptoms showing that they were.

"This included sweating, glazed red eyes and staring into space and people asking for help.

"A culture of drug use exists at the club which the existing management and security appears incapable of controlling."

...Over the past four years there have been six deaths in relation to Fabric. Five of those were people under 25.
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(Source).

Seems pretty clear that they had a drug problem at Fabric.

I hold a degree in International Hospitality Management
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LOL, he has a degree in selling overpriced drinks.
 
searches inadequate - where do you draw the line? please strip naked and bend over before we allow admittance?

deaths involved young people/patrons on drugs - who could have also taken drugs outside the club and come inside before collapsing.

im with the co-founder, more needs to be done to get drugs off the street rather than shutting down venues (that seem to be doing more than most to try and stem the use in their establishment) as you're only going to shift the problem to the next club.
 
Being high isn't illegal though? So why would security throw out people who might seem high? They will be mixed in with people who are drunk, or both.

If they are as high as a kite yea feel free to search them. But if they have nothing on them they aren't breaking the law?

Also door searches? Fabric do like a proper grope. But stopping short of getting people naked what can they do?
 
The only way to stop kids dying from taking pills is to legalise it and regulate the sale so everyone knows what they're getting.

It's bonkers that MDMA is a class A controlled substance while people are killing themselves by the thousands with alcohol and tobacco.
 
balky12 said:
Being high isn't illegal though? So why would security throw out people who might seem high? They will be mixed in with people who are drunk, or both.

If they are as high as a kite yea feel free to search them. But if they have nothing on them they aren't breaking the law?

Also door searches? Fabric do like a proper grope. But stopping short of getting people naked what can they do?
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People don't have to be doing anything illegal to be ejected but being under the influence of illegal drugs is almost certainly against club policy and therefore anyone suspected of such can be ejected from the premises.
 
Good places like these only attract Gang violence and promote a drug culture and I don't only mean cannabis. Atleast Manchester learnt with Hacienda.
 
tom_e said:
People don't have to be doing anything illegal to be ejected but being under the influence of illegal drugs is almost certainly against club policy and therefore anyone suspected of such can be ejected from the premises.
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If people are high but no more out of control than drunkards that are allowed to be there, then i see no issue. Clubs generally dont want to chuck out anyone which is REALLY bad because they could be held responsible if that person got hurt as a result of their lack of control and being chucked out. Some people get kicked out but usually it is the ones that look like they handle themselves just fine and would be more trouble to keep in the place than out.

We do need to take a different approach with drug culture. Large clubs should have a requirement to offer pill tests with a policy to encourage transparency if club goers are concerned eg. no consequences for coming forward about drugs you have taken or passed on to someone if you express concern.

Twirlywoos said:
Good places like these only attract Gang violence and promote a drug culture and I don't only mean cannabis. Atleast Manchester learnt with Hacienda.
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Gang violence in fabric?

lol
 
Avenged7Fold said:
If people are high but no more out of control than drunkards that are allowed to be there, then i see no issue. Clubs generally dont want to chuck out anyone which is REALLY bad because they could be held responsible if that person got hurt as a result of their lack of control and being chucked out. Some people get kicked out but usually it is the ones that look like they handle themselves just fine and would be more trouble to keep in the place than out.
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I've never ejected anyone for being high to be honest.
I'll usually pull them, search them and stick anything they've got left in the drugs bin but apart from that like you said unless they're off their face on coke and being a nuisance anyway then it makes no difference.
 
ubern00b said:
So much funnier if you have seen the video of the guy from Carnival talking to his shoe as if it was a mobile phone and taking selfies with people :D
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I've seen countless numbers of people trying to do all sorts of weird and wonderful things while under the influence, if there was one thing that could get you over the hump of a 16 hour rave shift it was that.
 
balky12 said:
It's a bit hard to take it at face value when drug related deaths happen at various festivals and clubs all over the country fairly regularly without them closing down.

I suspect Leeds festival and Creamfields will cease to exist... NAAAAT.
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it isn't hard to take at face value at all, it is by far the most plausible explanation.

The idea that the metropolitan police are somehow motivated by the prospect of the venue being turned into say a dozen apartments or something is ludicrous.

Deaths in nightclubs are a big deal, this is why club nights featuring say Jamaican dance hall, hip hop etc.. frequently run into trouble and have to close as they attract idiots with guns. This is why certain clubs in Brixton will scan a copy of the ID of every customer who enters the premises.

Fabric lasted for years and had plenty of warnings from the police, they've got conflicting incentives - they're well aware that drugs are a big part of their scene and that people will take them inside, they were still turning a blind eye to that.
 
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